Razgovor sa suradnikom:Future Perfect at Sunrise

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Future Perfect at Sunrise, dobro došli na Wikipediju na hrvatskom jeziku, započetu 16. veljače 2003. godine – slobodnu enciklopediju!

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Još jednom, dobro došli! Kubura (razgovor) 05:32, 15. listopada 2011. (CEST)

Explain[uredi VE | uredi]

Can you explain your edits here [1]? Kubura (razgovor) 05:33, 15. listopada 2011. (CEST)

Sure. Please see en:Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Wikinger for some background. "Wikinger" is the guy with the many 83.* and 79.191.* IPs who was also on your user talk page yesterday. He is a cross-project vandal who has been spreading a campaign of systematic sneaky vandalism (misinformation) on the obscure topic of marginal characters of the Greek script. Since his vandalism had spread so far across all projects, it's been necessary for someone to go throus all these different projects trying to clean up after him.
The concrete changes in this [2] edit were motivated as follows:
  • The three symbols "Stigma Ϛϛ · Heta Ͱͱ · Šo Ϸϸ" are extremely marginal and don't really belong into a listing of the Greek alphabet. "Stigma" isn't an alphabetic letter at all (it is partly a numerical sign, like "12345", partly a stylistic ligature, like "ff, fi,ſt"; none of these are "letters"). "Sho" was never a letter of Greek, only of the unrelated language Bactrian. "Ͱ" was used as a variant of Η in some (very few) dialects of Greek (for a very brief time), but the name "heta" is anachronistic (for those ancient Greek speakers who used this character, "heta" was still the name for the standard letter "Η"), and there is no indication people would ever have considered this sign a separate element of the alphabet.
  • I have no objections if these three marginal signs are listed somewhere as "other characters" or the like, but I gathered that "Drugogrčko" isn't a word in Croatian (what would it mean, "Othergreek"? Since when is "Othergreek" a language?). Wikinger made this heading up, because he is obsessed with these marginal letters and wanted to cram them in at all costs. Since I didn't know how to correct the heading, it was better to remove these three dubious entries altogether; they are of hardly any value and don't have articles anyway.
  • I removed the name "disigma" because it's a phantom name that has never been used. It was erroneously mentioned on one website (not a reliable source) as being an old name that was used for the character "sampi" at some point in the 19th century, but I've looked at a lot of old literature and can't find any evidence of its use anywhere at all. It was then included in Wikipedia by some well-meaning editors who relied on that website. Then Wikinger came and somehow decided that it must be not only some marginal synonym but the character's principal name, so he went and changed the naming from "sampi" to "disigma" in every Wikipedia project he could find.
  • About the uppercase and lowercase forms: these archaic characters don't really have uppercase/lowercase pairs, because they were used only in antiquity when lowercase didn't exist. "San" (Ϻ) has a lowercase variant that was only invented a few years ago for the purpose of listing it in Unicode, but it's never ever been used in the literature outside the Unicode code charts and outside of Wikipedia. So, while not strictly speaking wrong, listing it is unnecessary. Ϙ and Ͳ likewise have marginal (purely modern) lowercase forms, but what is much more important about them is that they have numeric variant forms (ϟ and ϡ respectively), which at least in the case of the latter are in fact much more prominent and important than the old epigraphic shape Ͳ, so it is more useful for the reader to give an "epigraphic shape + numeric shape" pair rather than an "uppercase + lowercase" pair in the navbox.
Future Perfect at Sunrise (razgovor) 08:54, 15. listopada 2011. (CEST)

An appeal[uredi VE | uredi]

Can I ask you one more thing? It's kind of official. Kubura (razgovor) 04:46, 16. listopada 2011. (CEST)

Yes, what? Future Perfect at Sunrise (razgovor) 08:13, 16. listopada 2011. (CEST)