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Kako mi je sve blokirano, korsnik sam Dasmar želio bi zatražiti iduće. Suradnik Željko me je na mojoj stranici za razgovor tražio dokaze koje sam mu dao da bi dobio ban. Prema tome po pravilima wiki tražim iduće:Zahtjev za mišljenje administratora. Hvala. Dasmar
Kako mi je sve blokirano, korsnik sam Dasmar želio bi zatražiti iduće. Suradnik Željko me je na mojoj stranici za razgovor tražio dokaze koje sam mu dao da bi dobio ban. Prema tome po pravilima wiki tražim iduće:Zahtjev za mišljenje administratora. Hvala. Dasmar

== Controversy surrounding this wikipedia ==

Denny, the controversy surrounding this wikipedia has been instrumented by a number of editors who on their own accord resigned from the project after the AO was dismantled and the it's decisions were reversed. This group left the project, but they bided their time to regroup and take over the project and conduct their own clean out, first by organising a Facebook hate and critique group, and then using their connections with the tabloid media, then using the minister to exert pressure and single out members of this community. In a concerted attack applying pressure from whatever platform they can and using arguments such that the Croatian Wikipedia is promoting fascism and homophobia, a common war cry used now to isolate and shame people. This group is trying to claim that the admins are responsible for the content on the wikipedia (which they are not) and they are the one's who are instrumental in steering this project (which they do not as well). As you have seen in the past, there are some editors and some users who have different political, linguistic and historical views of the world, and each person has their own upbringing and baggage they bring to this project, but this is not an excuse to be used to turf any person who has different belief system - they should be noted and accepted. Once this group takes over, they will seek revenge and exert their pressure on user's that do not confirm with their POV of the world, and we will see disruptive editors arrive who will push their own agenda onto this project destroying this whole project that many editors have worked on it since 2003. We all make mistakes Denny, but put this into perspective, that this will create a precedent and this project could be taken over by anyone who is willing enough to use similar tactics. This means that this wikipedia can be taken over by any corporation, government, party, lobby or interest group, because being a small project were you have a small core of active editors it is quite easy to infiltrate. I will give you a scenario: you have 5-6 people who can commit 20 hours a week and know how to program in python/perl etc, the 5-6 person crew create 10 user accounts each with different e-mail accounts, which is created from a different IP address using readily available VPN services. You generate text using tables - quite easy to do, and create scripts, programs to load 2-5 a day at specific times. You then use 2-3 accounts with human beings editing, replying commenting etc but it would be also possible using AI programs to create replies to specific queries. This needs to go on for some time, and like in a chess game edit after edit the pawn user account, go up the rank, the group gets admins, once the critical mass is reached then certain users in a particular wikipedia are harassed, bullied. Then you just recruit more people to continue the harassment, until some people start to break. You create a bad environment to work in, one part of the user base do not contribute very much in creating new articles, they only do small edits, perform category changes and create a lot of noise with their harassment and argumentative approach to work. Some people have a low tolerance and leave, some people stay there but as time goes by this patience and commitment wanes - and then if need be you involve a Social Media campaign, backed up with "old age" media, you lean on some government departments. Then you start a campaign to vote some people from certain tools and assign it to their own users, since the group controls 50 odd sockpuppets, and they have a number of other users who support them, how easy is it to get the necessary majority. Once in total control, they boot everyone out and the project is theirs until they want to or until another group is willing to spend the time and money in going against them. This can be done in a low tech way as well you just need more people to do the job and some coordination. Consider that you are allowed to vote with 100 edits and that you need to be there for only 2 months, wow how hard is it to create a new user every 2 months. Create one user, make 100 small edits wait for 2 months and you are in, and just keep going on and on. And then when time comes, you can vote anytime you want. Look what is the users who had voted, they reappear after hibernating for 1-2-3-5 years and are allowed to vote. Denny check the contributions of each of the user who have voted, and you see what I am saying. I am not saying that Speedy, Kubura and Željko were perfect either and they probably should have been a bit different in their approach, and they can and should change, but on the other hand once they are removed we will see this wikipedia destroyed and merged with the Serbo-Croatian wikipedia within a years time if not earlier. [[Suradnik:Ljubuski78|Ljubuski78]] <small>([[Razgovor sa suradnikom:Ljubuski78|razgovor]])</small> 22:32, 30. listopada 2013. (CET)

Inačica od 30. listopada 2013. u 23:32

Obrisati

Treba obrisati stranicu: http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieselov_ciklus Neki ljudi valjda misle da je wikipedia mjesto za zajebanciju, mozda bi trbalo sankcionirati i usera.


Zdravo! --denny vrandecic 15:00, 2 Sep 2003 (CEST)

Arhiva razgovora ove stranice

sve ok :)

Naah, sve je u redu. Softver me je malo izbacio iz takta ali sam riješio. Nisi ništa obrisao. --Joy 17:09, 18 Sep 2004 (CEST)

Obrisati

Baci oko na Wikipedia:Obrisati i Što vodi na stranicu Obrisati. Treba obrisati samo poveznice u prvom nivou, drugi nivo je ok (obrisati Arturo Dominici, ostaviti Ahilej). SpeedyGonsales 11:35, 18 Nov 2004 (CET)


Pitanja

Baš sam se pitao, šta je brže (bolje), običan revert (uređivanje verzije članka prije vandalizma) ili rollback, pa sam ustanovio da svaki ima svoje prednosti: običan revert čuva vandalizam u bazi, a daje mogućnost komentiranja izmjene, dok je rollback zapravo brisanje promjene iz baze, a wiki engine sam "komentira" što se dogodilo :-) SpeedyGonsales 18:40, 22 Nov 2004 (CET)


Revert je u redu sa vandalizam, jer je brzije sa administratora. Rollback nikako nije u redu sa normalni edit. Ali u ostalom, dobro si razumio :) --denny vrandečić | razgovor 13:39, 23 Nov 2004 (CET)


Novosti

Nitko nije savršen :-)) Usput, malo ti je velika ova stranica ;-) SpeedyGonsales 18:51, 28 Dec 2004 (CET)

Sad nije :) Sretna nova godina! --denny vrandečić | razgovor 23:14, 28 Dec 2004 (CET)

usluga

Možeš li me predložiti za administratora

Toomy_hr,Hvala

Obavijest za označavanje slika

Riješeno. --denny vrandečić | [[User talk:Denny|razgovor]] 08:30, 31. srpanj 2007. (CEST)

Pozdravi

Ej, Denny, šta je, kako je, jesi živ? :))) Super je opet te vidit. Kubura 08:35, 31. srpanj 2007. (CEST)

Ajme, to je bilo brzo! :) Ja sam živ i zdrav. Pratim lijepu našu wikipediju cilo vrime, da li je sve u redu, i ako nisam bio aktivan (radio sam puno na MediaWiki softveru). A sad bi htio zaznati, koji su najaktivniji suradnici, jel imam jedan prijedlog. Hvala na pozdravu! --denny vrandečić | razgovor 08:40, 31. srpanj 2007. (CEST)


Dubrovačka republika

Molio bih te da me podržiš u preimenovanju članka Republic of Ragusa u Republic of Dubrovnik na en.wiki

--Anto 08:26, 10. listopad 2007. (CEST)--Anto 08:26, 10. listopad 2007. (CEST)


Molio bih te da me podržiš u preimenovanju Republic of ragusa u Republic of Dubrovnik na en.wiki

usurp

I request for usurpation in this page [1]at 6.Jun.Could you check it for me? Thanks.--Orionn (razgovor) 03:32, 25. lipanj 2008. (CEST)

SUL Confirmations

Done

I confirm that I am usupring Denny on cs.wp --denny vrandečić (razgovor) 23:20, 27. lipnja 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

cs.wp [2] --Tchoř (razgovor) 01:45, 1. srpnja 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

I confirm that I am usurping Denny on it.wp --denny vrandečić (razgovor) 23:46, 27. lipnja 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

it.wp
it.wp username Denny is now available for your SUL account. Ciao, Ary29 (razgovor) 15:52, 9. srpnja 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

I confirm that I am usurping Denny on zh.wp --22:57, 1. srpnja 2012. (CEST)

zh.wp

I confirm that I am usurping Denny on es.wp --05:01, 17. srpnja 2012. (CEST)

es.wp -Done --Miss Manzana (razgovor) 05:21, 17. srpnja 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

I confirm that I am usurping Denny on ms.wp --05:33, 17. srpnja 2012. (CEST)

ms.wp

I confirm that I am usurping Denny on ru.wp --04:53, 17. srpnja 2012. (CEST)

ru.wp

I confirm that I am usurping Denny on bg.wp --20:26, 28. srpnja 2012. (CEST)

bg.wp [3] Nk (razgovor) 14:16, 1. kolovoza 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]
Thank you! --denny vrandečić (razgovor) 22:11, 2. kolovoza 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

I confirm that I am usurping Denny on nl.wp --DennyTemp (razgovor) 13:02, 10. srpnja 2012. (CEST) denny vrandečić (razgovor) 13:03, 10. srpnja 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

nl.wp

I confirm that i am usurping Denny on th.wp --denny vrandečić (razgovor) 16:24, 5. kolovoza 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

th.wp

I confirm that I am usurping Denny on pt.wp --DennyTemp (razgovor) 05:26, 17. srpnja 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

pt.wp

I confirm that I am usurping Denny on ro.wp --16:22, 5. kolovoza 2012. (CEST)

ro.wp

I confirm that I am usurping Denny on sl.wp --16:47, 5. kolovoza 2012. (CEST)

sl.wp

I confirm that I am usurping Denny on it.wikisource --DennyTemp (razgovor) 14:47, 19. kolovoza 2012. (CEST) denny vrandečić (razgovor) 15:01, 19. kolovoza 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

it.ws
I renamed the former user:Denny to User:Denny (reassigned). Now username "Denny" is free to be taken by the first who registers it! If you quick regiser that username there's no need for further bureaucracy, if you want to keep your single edit as DennyTemp (:D), just write your request to move it to user:Denny in this page using other users' ones as template. Please send me some feedback after usurpation to let me know that you are the "right" usurper. - εΔω 16:46, 19. kolovoza 2012. (CEST)
Done. εΔω. 19:45, 19. kolovoza 2012. (CEST)

I confirm that I am usurping Denny on it.wiktionary --DennyTemp (razgovor) 14:47, 19. kolovoza 2012. (CEST) denny vrandečić (razgovor) 15:01, 19. kolovoza 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

it.wt
done, i usurped "old" Denny and now your Denny is free--Wim b (razgovor) 16:14, 19. kolovoza 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

I confirm that I am usurping Denny on en.wikiversity --denny vrandečić (razgovor) 20:22, 6. kolovoza 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

en.wv

Have no bureaucrats:

viwikibooks
Resolved through steward MW-F

I confirm that I am usurping Denny on id.wb -- DennyTemp (razgovor) 14:39, 19. kolovoza 2012. (CEST) denny vrandečić (razgovor) 15:01, 19. kolovoza 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

id.wb id.wb
Resolved through steward MW-F

I confirm that I am usurping Denny on id.wq -- DennyTemp (razgovor) 14:39, 19. kolovoza 2012. (CEST) denny vrandečić (razgovor) 15:01, 19. kolovoza 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

id.wq id.wq
Resolved through steward MW-F

In progress

I confirm that I am usurping Denny on id.wp --denny vrandečić (razgovor) 23:40, 27. lipnja 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

id.wp id.wp

I confirm that I am usurping Denny on tr.wp --denny vrandečić (razgovor) 22:47, 26. srpnja 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

tr.wp

To do

Have central pages:

dewikibooks

Request to stewards to finally finish this

DennyBot veli da je on ti

[4] DennyBot u 21:48 27. lipnja 2012, veli da je on ti, odnosno da je tvoj bot. Pretpostavljam da je ova tvoja akcija od minute poslije potvrda da je to točno.
[5](Evidencija suradničkih prava); 21:49 . . Denny (Razgovor | doprinosi | blokiraj) promijenjena suradnička prava za Suradnik:DennyBot iz (suradnik) u bot ‎(Jer je bot)
Eto, živia mi. Kubura (razgovor) 03:15, 28. lipnja 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

Jest, on je moj. --denny vrandečić (razgovor) 14:25, 28. lipnja 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

Bok Denny, vidm da se kuzuis u botove. Stavio bih naselja iz D-A-CH a ne znam kako da se rijesi elegantno problem s predloskom... Ono nadopisati 2-3 rjecenice o svakim mjestu mi nebi bio problem , samo predlozak... LP--Croq (razgovor) 22:37, 7. srpnja 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

DennyTemp veli da je ti

[6] Ovo samo radi predostrožnosti: ovaj se predstavlja kao ti u ovoj poruci. Je li u redu? Kubura (razgovor) 03:08, 8. srpnja 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

Hvala, i to sam ja (DennyTemp je potreban sa SUL-Unifikaciju na trugim projektama). I u ostalom sam i Suradnik:Denny Vrandečić (WMDE), radi posla. --denny vrandečić (razgovor) 12:53, 10. srpnja 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

SUL Confirmations on pt.wiki

Hi, Denny. The user "Denny" already exists on pt.wiki. The application of usurpation will be open. The deadline is one week. Regards, Érico Júnior Wouters (razgovor) 05:46, 17. srpnja 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

Thanks for letting me know here, Érico! --denny vrandečić (razgovor) 01:59, 19. srpnja 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

Broč

[7] Jo son Bročanin i volin Broč... :) Kubura (razgovor) 18:58, 26. srpnja 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

Fala! Pozdrave i tebi! --denny vrandečić (razgovor) 22:33, 26. srpnja 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

[en] Creating my SUL account locally against a MediaWiki:Titleblacklist issue

Hey Denny,

Hope you're well. :-)

Unfortunately my work account is m:User:Jdforrester (WMF), which is blocked from being "created" here due to the .*[A-Z \?\!\*]{3,}.*<casesensitive|newaccountonly> rule in MediaWiki:Titleblacklist. Would it be possible for you to temporarily suspend (or permanently remove?) the rule so that I could create my work account here too?

Thanks,

Jdforrester (razgovor) 01:11, 1. kolovoza 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

As his name would suggest, SpeedyGonsales has been faster. --denny vrandečić (razgovor) 22:07, 2. kolovoza 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]
Thank you anyway. :-) Jdforrester (WMF) (razgovor) 23:14, 3. kolovoza 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

Usurpation on nl.wikipedia

Hello, Denny. The usurpation on the Dutch Wikipedia has been completed. Apologies for the long wait. Regards, Mathonius (razgovor) 14:20, 1. kolovoza 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

Thank you! :) --denny vrandečić (razgovor) 22:07, 2. kolovoza 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

Usurpation on th.wiki

Hi. Your request has been processed. Enjoy. --Lerdsuwa (razgovor) 07:10, 6. kolovoza 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

Thank you! --denny vrandečić (razgovor) 20:13, 6. kolovoza 2012. (CEST)[odgovori]

Username change request

Hi! Could you please have a look at the username change requests: Wikipedija:Zahtjev za promjenu imena suradnika/Ustupanje? Thanks! -- Kontos (razgovor) 22:16, 7. ožujka 2013. (CET)[odgovori]

Hi, sorry for writing in English. I'm writing to ask you, as a bureaucrat of this wiki, to translate and review the notification that will be sent to all users, also on this wiki, who will be forced to change their user name on May 27 and will probably need your help with renames. You may also want to help with the pages m:Rename practices and m:Global rename policy. Thank you, Nemo 15:29, 3. svibnja 2013. (CEST)[odgovori]

Pomoć

Kako mi je sve blokirano, korsnik sam Dasmar želio bi zatražiti iduće. Suradnik Željko me je na mojoj stranici za razgovor tražio dokaze koje sam mu dao da bi dobio ban. Prema tome po pravilima wiki tražim iduće:Zahtjev za mišljenje administratora. Hvala. Dasmar

Controversy surrounding this wikipedia

Denny, the controversy surrounding this wikipedia has been instrumented by a number of editors who on their own accord resigned from the project after the AO was dismantled and the it's decisions were reversed. This group left the project, but they bided their time to regroup and take over the project and conduct their own clean out, first by organising a Facebook hate and critique group, and then using their connections with the tabloid media, then using the minister to exert pressure and single out members of this community. In a concerted attack applying pressure from whatever platform they can and using arguments such that the Croatian Wikipedia is promoting fascism and homophobia, a common war cry used now to isolate and shame people. This group is trying to claim that the admins are responsible for the content on the wikipedia (which they are not) and they are the one's who are instrumental in steering this project (which they do not as well). As you have seen in the past, there are some editors and some users who have different political, linguistic and historical views of the world, and each person has their own upbringing and baggage they bring to this project, but this is not an excuse to be used to turf any person who has different belief system - they should be noted and accepted. Once this group takes over, they will seek revenge and exert their pressure on user's that do not confirm with their POV of the world, and we will see disruptive editors arrive who will push their own agenda onto this project destroying this whole project that many editors have worked on it since 2003. We all make mistakes Denny, but put this into perspective, that this will create a precedent and this project could be taken over by anyone who is willing enough to use similar tactics. This means that this wikipedia can be taken over by any corporation, government, party, lobby or interest group, because being a small project were you have a small core of active editors it is quite easy to infiltrate. I will give you a scenario: you have 5-6 people who can commit 20 hours a week and know how to program in python/perl etc, the 5-6 person crew create 10 user accounts each with different e-mail accounts, which is created from a different IP address using readily available VPN services. You generate text using tables - quite easy to do, and create scripts, programs to load 2-5 a day at specific times. You then use 2-3 accounts with human beings editing, replying commenting etc but it would be also possible using AI programs to create replies to specific queries. This needs to go on for some time, and like in a chess game edit after edit the pawn user account, go up the rank, the group gets admins, once the critical mass is reached then certain users in a particular wikipedia are harassed, bullied. Then you just recruit more people to continue the harassment, until some people start to break. You create a bad environment to work in, one part of the user base do not contribute very much in creating new articles, they only do small edits, perform category changes and create a lot of noise with their harassment and argumentative approach to work. Some people have a low tolerance and leave, some people stay there but as time goes by this patience and commitment wanes - and then if need be you involve a Social Media campaign, backed up with "old age" media, you lean on some government departments. Then you start a campaign to vote some people from certain tools and assign it to their own users, since the group controls 50 odd sockpuppets, and they have a number of other users who support them, how easy is it to get the necessary majority. Once in total control, they boot everyone out and the project is theirs until they want to or until another group is willing to spend the time and money in going against them. This can be done in a low tech way as well you just need more people to do the job and some coordination. Consider that you are allowed to vote with 100 edits and that you need to be there for only 2 months, wow how hard is it to create a new user every 2 months. Create one user, make 100 small edits wait for 2 months and you are in, and just keep going on and on. And then when time comes, you can vote anytime you want. Look what is the users who had voted, they reappear after hibernating for 1-2-3-5 years and are allowed to vote. Denny check the contributions of each of the user who have voted, and you see what I am saying. I am not saying that Speedy, Kubura and Željko were perfect either and they probably should have been a bit different in their approach, and they can and should change, but on the other hand once they are removed we will see this wikipedia destroyed and merged with the Serbo-Croatian wikipedia within a years time if not earlier. Ljubuski78 (razgovor) 22:32, 30. listopada 2013. (CET)[odgovori]