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Ame71, dobro došli na Wikipediju na hrvatskome jeziku, započetu 16. veljače 2003. godine – slobodnu enciklopediju!

Pozivamo vas na sudjelovanje u rastu ove svima dostupne enciklopedije na hrvatskome standardnom jeziku.

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Ovdje su neke od stranica koje bi vam mogle pomoći:

• Wikipedija − što je Wikipedija, povijest i organizacija projekta,
• izvori − kako uspješno činiti Wikipediju boljom, te
• slike − obvezno pročitati prije postavljanja bilo kakvih slika.

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Ako želite vježbati možete to raditi na stranici za vježbanje, u slučaju da vam zatreba pomoć učinite sljedeće:

• postavite pitanje u Kafiću, odgovor će brzo stići,
• spojite se na IRC (chat): #wikipedia-hr.

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Svoje doprinose na člancima ne potpisujte, dok komentare na pripadajućim stranicama za razgovor, suradničkim stranicama i Kafiću molimo potpisujte tako što ćete pritisnuti gumbić ili na alatnoj vrpci ili napisati 4 tilde (tilda = 4x istovremeno tipke AltGr + tipka s brojem 1), što kod uređivanja izgleda ovako ~~~~.
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If you don't speak Croatian: This is a welcome message sent to new users of hr.wikipedia.

Još jednom, dobro došli! --Tulkas Astaldo (razgovor) 16:20, 22. veljače 2019. (CET)

Hrvatska liga - Istok

Hvala ti zbilja što stavljaštablice liga, za vrijeme FNRJ/SFRJ.
Samo, bili mi ostavio da ja dovršim sezone Hrvatske lige - Istok, s obzirom da imam dosta izvora za ove zsezone (razne monografdije klubova), ali nikako da to završim.... (a bio sam dosta toga stavio negdje 2020. i početak 2021.)
baš Sportnet-ov forum admini mogu opovrgnuti kao izvor...
samo nastavi, a možeš mi ostaviti i mail, pa ti pošaljem materijala, ili vež nekako....
Srdačan pozfdrav, Cybermb (razgovor) 23:40, 7. rujna 2022. (CEST)

Suradnička stranica

Lijepo te pozdravlja, Koreanovsky (Ča–Kaj–Što?!) 08:47, 8. rujna 2022. (CEST)

Re:Hrvatska liga - Istok

Napravit ću, ti samo nastavi, ja ću nadopisati izvore ako ti nemaš,
staviti ću punu tablicu, ali danas neću moći...vjerojatnije u subotu (10.09.)
Cybermb (razgovor) 13:01, 8. rujna 2022. (CEST)

Jezik

Dobro došli na Wikipediju! Drago nam je što doprinosite Wikipediji, no skrećemo pozornost na činjenicu da je službeni jezik na hrvatskoj Wikipediji − hrvatski jezik. Želite li pisati na nekom drugom jeziku, molimo vas odaberite odgovarajuću inačicu Wikipedije gdje je taj jezik službeni. Hvala na razumijevanju.--Tulkas Astaldo (razgovor) 23:55, 8. srpnja 2023. (CEST)

Prečesto snimanje

Ame, nama bi pomoglo kad ne bi snimao baš svaku izmjenu svake 2 minute. Softver će kod tebe u pregledniku sačuvati izmjene čak i ako se sve sruši. Jednom u 10-15 minuta je OK. Imaš sad u uređivaču tipku koja ti pokazuje stranicu u stvarnom vremenu dok je uredjujes. Tipka je, mislim, gore desno. Podijelit će prozor na dva dijela. pon_or (razgovor) 19:12, 30. kolovoza 2023. (CEST)

@Ponor, suradnik je s it.wiki i nisam siguran da razumije hrvatski. Ame71, today I wanted to ask you if you spoke Croatian. If not, I am really impressed by the state of Google Translate's translations or whatever translator you're using. – Croxyz ^💬 19:37, 30. kolovoza 2023. (CEST)

Vidim da je Ame već mogao biti samoophođen, ali nisam aktivirao: Wikipedija:Prijedlozi za dodjelu prava/Arhiv 2022#Ame71. pon_or (razgovor) 19:40, 30. kolovoza 2023. (CEST)

Bok, ja sam Talijan i uglavnom radim na it.wiki. Supruga mi je Hrvatica, a ja znam izgovoriti jednostavne rečenice na hrvatskom jeziku, za one složenije koristim prevoditelj. Iz tog razloga se posvećujem tablicama na hr.wiki. —Ame71 (razgovor). 20:39, 30. kolovoza 2023. (CEST)

Ame, sve je to u redu. Mi tebe još patroliramo, a kada često snimaš netko mora i po 100 puta stisnuti "patrol". Slobodno uređuj tablice (i sve drugo), samo nemoj snimati toliko često. (vidi: m:Community Wishlist Survey 2021/Real Time Preview for Wikitext - Preview = Pretpregled) Možda ću te promovirati u autopatrolled, vidjet ću još. Sretno, pon_or (razgovor) 14:46, 31. kolovoza 2023. (CEST)

FK Kolubara Lazarevac

ja sam počeo raditi članak FK Kolubara Lazarevac, a sad vidim da na tvojoj stranici za vježbanje si počeo pripremu za članak za isti klub. Već kad sam stvorio članak, mogu li iskoristiti išta od tvog teksta, te da ga dalje uređujem kako inače radim članke o nogometnim klubovima?
Srdačan pozdrav
Cybermb (razgovor) 08:30, 3. siječnja 2024. (CET)

OK, nastavim ja s Kolubarom, bilo bi bolje da članak bude FK Srem Srijemska Mitrovica, a potom stvoriš FK Srem Sremska Mitrovica pa njegovo preusmjerenje na FK Srem Srijemska Mitrovica

imam neki plan dugoročno stvoriti članke za preostale klubove koji su se natjecali u Superligi Srbije, a vidim da ti radiš za one koji su se natjecali u drugoj saveznoj ligi SFRJ/FNRJ

Vjerojatno si primijetio da u Kategorija:Srbijanski nogometni klubovi ukoliko smo radili podkategorije za klubove po okruzima Srbije ukoliko imamo tri ili više kluba po okrugu

Samo nastavi

Cybermb (razgovor) 09:34, 3. siječnja 2024. (CET)

Ovo za Prvu saveznu ligu' (a i kasnije Međurepubličke i još nešto, pa dosta ljestvica 1. HNL, 2. HNL i još neke lige) je rađeno uglavnom negdje 2007.- 2009. i nije baš dirano otad, ima grešaka, tad se moglo "i bez izvora". Tablice su tad rađene uglavnom preko zaglavlja/stila/predloška prettytable , mislim da je wikitable kasnije uveden, i još za svaku ćeliju je išlo u jedan red po kodu, (mjesto da jedan red tablice bude u 1-2 reda koda), nešto sam bio uređivao, ali sam uglavnom odustao, ima dosta posla oko toga, pa dok "stoji - stoji".

Cybermb (razgovor) 10:10, 3. siječnja 2024. (CET)

Sezone Prve savezne lige - klubovi

Super što radiš članke za sezone Prve savezne lige, kao Prva savezna liga Jugoslavije u nogometu 1953./54., Prva savezna liga Jugoslavije u nogometu 1964./65., odnosno vidljivo iz tvojih započetih stranica
Međutim, primijetio sam da u tablicama, malo nekonzistetno stavljaš klubove, uz neke stavljaš grad iz kojeg su ( Dinamo Zagreb, Hajduk Split, Radnički Beograd, Proleter Osijek, Sutjeska Nikšić, itd.), ali za druge ne stavljaš gradove, iako je to na hr. wikipediji (pa i u medijima) uobičajeno (odnosno Crvena zvezda mjesto Crvena zvezda Beograd, Partizan mjesto Partizan Beograd, Vojvodina mjesto Vojvodina Novi Sad, Željezničar mjesto Željezničar Sarajevo, Budućnost mjesto Budućnost Titograd - ispod staviti napomenu da je Titograd tadašnji naziv za Podgoricu, itd.)
Pa ako možeš to malo izmijeni i za buduće članke probaš tako, da se ne mora naknadno ispravljati....(naravno ako je ime greada vidljivo iz samog imena kluba...ostaviš kako jest - Rijeka, Sarajevo, Maribor, Osijek, Bor, Novi Sad, itd..)
Pozdrav, Cybermb (razgovor) 07:29, 5. veljače 2024. (CET)

@Cybermb Gledao sam kako izgledaju neke druge stranice na hr.wiki pa sam "Crvena zvezda" i "Partizan" napisao bez grada. U redu, dodat ću ga sa sljedeće stranice. U it.wiki smo navikli ne uključivati ​​grad ako je tim poznat.--Ame71 (razgovor). 08:47, 5. veljače 2024. (CET)

primijetio sam na en.wiki, primjerice 1961–62 Yugoslav First League, ali ako ideš po starim izmjenama (od 2005.), vidi se da su mijenjali oblik i sadržaj tablica

naravno, i mi na hr.wiki smo malo nekonzistetni - primjer HNL 2022./23.

ali možeš vidjeti kako radim ljestvice za najviše lige ostalih HRV prvenstava u drugim športovima, primjerice Superliga Hrvatske u odbojci za žene 2021./22., ali prvenstvo se igra liga, pa potom doigravanje; ili 1. HRL za žene 2021./22. - igra se sasmo ligaški dio - uglavnom u početnom odjeljku klubovi (sa sjedištima / gradovima), a u ljestvici samo nazivi klubova (bez imena gradova / sjedišta...)

Cybermb (razgovor) 09:41, 5. veljače 2024. (CET)

@Cybermb Napravio sam stranicu Prva savezna liga Jugoslavije u nogometu 1965./66. ostavljajući neke timove (Crvena zvezda, Partizan, itd.) kao i do sada. Ubacio sam popis sudionika i kartu kao i vi u 1. HRL za žene 2021./22.--Ame71 (razgovor). 07:09, 7. veljače 2024. (CET)

@Cybermb Imam problem: u karti SCG na stranici Prva liga SR Jugoslavije u nogometu 1995./96. u blizini su tri grada. Volio bih Mladost Lučani staviti na “top” ili “bottom”, ali ne mogu. Kako mogu napraviti? --Ame71 (razgovor). 16:48, 26. ožujka 2024. (CET)

meni se to također povremeno događalo, ovo sa "top" i "bototm" se i meni događalo da mi uopće ne prikaže dobro, ili izbaci poziciju dalje od željene. Stoga su se i meni događala takva preklapanja kao 2. HNL 2020./21. ili A1 liga Košarkaškog saveza Herceg-Bosne 2017./18. - po meni bolje staviti kao nekakav naziv i onda sa strane (kao što si radio sa BG klubovima, pa da izgleda kao nešto ovako: Superliga Hrvatske u odbojci za žene 2021./22.

Cybermb (razgovor) 07:43, 28. ožujka 2024. (CET)

Pitanje

Nije mi jasno zašto ste ovdje dodali tu kategoriju kad ta državna zajednica tada još nije bila osnovana?--Tulkas Astaldo (razgovor) 08:21, 21. ožujka 2024. (CET)

@Tulkas Astaldo Učinio sam to jer je na stranici Prva liga Srbije i Crne Gore u nogometu bila i sezona 1991./92.--Ame71 (razgovor). 09:18, 21. ožujka 2024. (CET)

Razumijem. Međutim, recimo ovdje se navodi da je državna prvenstva Zvezda 1994./95., 1999./00., 2000./01. osvojila u SR Jugoslaviji, a 2003./04., 2005./06. u Srbiji i Crnoj Gori, što mi je i logično. Dakle, ne vidim razloga za preklapanje tih dvaju natjecanja, tj ne vidim razloga za ovu promjenu. Imate li neki razlog za navedenu promjenu osim ovog koji ste gore naveli? — Prethodni nepotpisani komentar napisao je Tulkas Astaldo (razgovor • doprinosi)

@Tulkas Astaldo Ne, nemam drugih razloga, samo sam to učinio da se uskladim sa spomenutom stranicom. Nema problema s poništavanjem moje promjene.--Ame71 (razgovor). 05:16, 22. ožujka 2024. (CET)

Frequent saving

Ciao Ame71. Last August I asked for the reasons for your frequent saves, but somehow we never got the answer. The thing is, you're not autopatrolled on this wiki (because you're, obviously, not a native speaker), which means that for your every save someone needs to open up the diff and mark the change as patrolled (see here). That's some 50 to 100 patroller actions every day! I don't see why anyone would save every minute change, as the software will recover them even if your browser crashes (there's a user preferences setting for that). I kindly ask you to save less frequently. That's what we expect from all our users — {{NS-prikaži1}} {{NS-prikaži2}} {{NS-prikaži!}}. Another option is to treat you as autopatrolled, but you'll have to promise you'll only work in your own sandbox(es), and report all mainspace edits to Croxyz, who's been kind enough to copy edit your articles. I hope you understand. Let me know which option you like better. Sincerely, pon_or (razgovor) 03:54, 23. lipnja 2024. (CEST)

@Ponor You're right, but I'm doing it only in my sandbox. I don't use this way in creating new pages or modifying others... --Ame71 (razgovor). 04:05, 23. lipnja 2024. (CEST)

It's all the same to our patrollers, we need to patrol every change. Imagine having to press the same button 100 times in a day just to remove your sandbox edits from our unpatrolled edits list.

Preferenze → Abilita la funzione Edit Recovery. Or option #2: only work in your sandbox, I'll promote you, but communicate every article change to Croxyz. pon_or (razgovor) 04:16, 23. lipnja 2024. (CEST)

@Ponor Just did it.--Ame71 (razgovor). 04:25, 23. lipnja 2024. (CEST)

OK. I hate to ask for this, but we have to be mindful of our patrollers' time. I hope you understand. Were you a native speaker, none of this would be a problem, but Croxyz complained about having to work on your articles and I cannot make you autopatrolled any momre. Really, really sorry! pon_or (razgovor) 04:33, 23. lipnja 2024. (CEST)

@Ponor Ok.--Ame71 (razgovor). 04:53, 23. lipnja 2024. (CEST)

Newfound tables/participating clubs

If I have the time and energy, I'll make a list of every table that's currently missing on it./hr.wiki that I found online. As mentioned previously, I managed to find some tables from lower tier Bosnia and Herzegovina and Vojvodina clubs. Right now I managed to find some lower tier Serbian tables. Do you know Cyrillic? If not I can latinise the tables for you. – Croxyz ^💬 23:57, 4. rujna 2024. (CEST)

Here's what I managed to find tonight:

Source: Milorad Sijić, FK Napredak, Kragujevac, 2020.

• Kragujevačka zona 1960./61. (Kragujevac zone), part of Nogometno prvenstvo Jugoslavije – 3. ligaški rang 1960./61. (page 66)
• Kragujevačka zona 1961./62. (Kragujevac zone), part of Nogometno prvenstvo Jugoslavije – 3. ligaški rang 1961./62. (page 69)
• Srpska liga – Jug 1962./63. (Serbian league – South), only features table of Srpska liga – Jug A (Srpska liga – Jug B is missing, the text says that the Serbian league hasd 2 groups), part of Nogometno prvenstvo Jugoslavije – 3. ligaški rang 1962./63.??? (page 73)
• Srpska liga – Jug 1963./64. (Serbian league – South), only features table of Srpska liga – Jug A (Srpska liga – Jug B and C are missing) (page 77), part of Nogometno prvenstvo Jugoslavije – 3. ligaški rang 1963./64., compare with it:Zonske lige 1963-1964 (needs to be compared to forum post)
• Srpska liga – Jug 1964./65. (Serbian league – South) (page 83), part of Nogometno prvenstvo Jugoslavije – 3. ligaški rang 1964./65., it:Zonske lige 1964-1965 is missing this table
• Srpska liga – Jug 1965./66. (Serbian league – South) (page 88), part of Nogometno prvenstvo Jugoslavije – 3. ligaški rang 1965./66., see it:Zonske lige 1965-1966 (needs to be compared to forum post)
• Srpska liga – Jug 1966./67. (Serbian league – South) (page 92), part of Nogometno prvenstvo Jugoslavije – 3. ligaški rang 1966./67., it:Zonske lige 1966-1967 is missing this table
• Srpska liga – Jug 1967./68. (Serbian league – South) (page 97), part of Nogometno prvenstvo Jugoslavije – 3. ligaški rang 1967./68., see it:Zonske lige 1967-1968 (needs to be compared to forum post)

– Croxyz ^💬 00:26, 5. rujna 2024. (CEST)

P.S. I don't know if I ever sent you this (missing seasons from NK Maksimir's website which you used in the past):

Name of league/season	New article?	Should be added to	Source
III. razred Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1926./27.	–	Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1926./27.
III. A razred Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1927./28.	–	Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1927./28.
III. razred Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1928./29.	–	Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1928./29.
III. razred Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1929./30.	–	Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1929./30.
III. razred Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1930./31.	–	Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1930./31.
III. razred Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1931./32.	–	Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1931./32.
III. razred Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1932./33.	–	Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1932./33.
III. razred Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1933./34.	–	Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1933./34.
III. razred Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1934./35.	–	Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1934./35.
III. razred Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1935./36.	–	Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1935./36.
II. razred Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1936./37.	–	Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1936./37.
II. razred Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1937./38.	–	Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1937./38.
II. razred Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1938./39.	–	Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1938./39.
I. B razred Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1939./40.	–	Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1939./40.
II. razred Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1940./41.	–	Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1940./41.
II. razred nogometnog Prvenstva Zagreba 1951.	II. razred nogometnog Prvenstva Zagreba 1951.	–

Vrbas has two books: which contain missing Vojvodina seasons (mentioned previously).

Željezničar also has a book ([]). I didn't check if any of the pre-WW2 seasons were missing. All post WW2 seasons are documented on Wiki. – Croxyz ^💬 00:43, 5. rujna 2024. (CEST)

@Croxyz It's good, now i'm improving the pages of 2nd dvision, then I'll manage the 3rd one. Thanks for the links.--Ame71 (razgovor). 07:00, 5. rujna 2024. (CEST)

These past few days I've slowly been building Suradnik:Croxyz/Izvori, an uncomplete list of online resources for Yugoslav football history. A large percentage of these have been found in your and Cybermb's articles, although keep in mind that I haven't listed all sources since I don't know them. Fell free to expand the list for us and future use (future editors and readers). I might publish this list once somewhere else with a different name. I've started compiling it several days ago to assist you with articles on 3rd and 4th divisions. I've noticed that a lot of seasons are missing on Croatian and Italian Wikis (especially pre-WW2 ones). I wrote several of these seasons these past few days. I'll probably write only a portion of the post-WW2 seasons from Suradnik:Croxyz/Izvori. I plan on focusing seasons from here since a lot of seasons are missing (and possibly a table for FK Budućnost Banovići). – Croxyz ^💬 21:34, 20. rujna 2024. (CEST)

@Croxyz Well done, it will be useful for me when i'll improve the 3rd division pages.--Ame71 (razgovor). 22:58, 20. rujna 2024. (CEST)

Sveti/Sveta/Sveto

I just wanted to share one of my experiences dealing with modern sources. I commonly find sources (e.g. Sveta Klara in this source: ) that mention placenames that include the words Sveti/Sveta/Sveto (saint in m./f./n. gender). In post-WW2 Yugoslavia (and other socialist states) the words Sveti/Sveta/Sveto were dropped from placenames. These names were sometimes additionally changed (e.g. Sveti Ivan Zelina was called Zelina). – Croxyz ^💬 00:32, 19. rujna 2024. (CEST)

@Croxyz I didn't know that, but I'm not surprised. Also ethnical or bourgeois names disappeared. As after 1991 disappeared the "Tito" ones (example Titov Vrbas, Titova Mitrovica...).--Ame71 (razgovor). 06:57, 19. rujna 2024. (CEST)

Errors on Italian Wikipedia

The 3rd placed club on it:Zonske lige 1968-1969#Tuzla is listed as Jedinstvo Odžak. The source simply lists it as Jedinstvo. The club in question is Jedinstvo Brčko (for some reason the club wasn't promoted even though it won the league in the past season). The winner of it:Zonske lige 1969-1970#Tuzla is listed as Jedinstvo Odžak instead of Jedinstvo Bosanski Novi (some sources list it as Jedinstvo Novi Grad which is an incorrect name as the city was called Bosnaski Novi prior to the collapse of Yugoslavia). I can't find information about the club on the internet (probably defunct or renamed). It played in Podsavezna nogometna liga Doboj 1960./61. and Podsavezna nogometna liga Doboj 1961./62. where it was falsely listed as Jedinstvo Novi Grad up to a few minutes ago. I found these errors by using this website. So far I haven't seen any other errors which makes the forum posts reliable/trustworthy. I think it would be the best that you correct the errors since I don't know in which articles it could be present (e.g. on the history sections of clubs that participated in the league those seasons or in tables like NK Maksimir's). – Croxyz ^💬 12:59, 22. rujna 2024. (CEST)

In places such as it:Zonske lige 1970-1971#Tuzla Borac Šamac should be referred to as Borac Bosanski Šamac. The name of this city was also changed, just like Bosanski Novi's. – Croxyz ^💬 13:02, 22. rujna 2024. (CEST)

I forgot to mention that according to this website it:Zonske lige 1968-1969#Tuzla should be called Grupa A Prve zone (the site calls it A grupa Prve zone which is grammatically incorrect). Grupa A Prve zone is translated in English as Group A of the First zone. 2. LEGA NORD is likely the first zone with this league (the Tuzla one) being group A. Suradnik:Croxyz/Izvori might provide information on other group names (didn't check it as I am busy checking the factual correctness of Italian Wikipedia tables). During the next seasons (see Italian Wikipedia) the league is called Bosansko-sjeveroistočna zona (Bosnian-northeast zone and not Northeastern Bosnian zone). – Croxyz ^💬 13:14, 22. rujna 2024. (CEST)

We should also correct these names on Croatian Wikipedia (for example in the 2nd division season articles). – Croxyz ^💬 13:17, 22. rujna 2024. (CEST)

Do you know which division (e.g. 3rd, 4th, 5th etc.) is Sjeveroistočna zona 1973./74.? It isn't listed on it:Zonske lige 1972-1973. – Croxyz ^💬 13:48, 22. rujna 2024. (CEST)

@Croxyz Sjeveroistočna zona 1973./74. was the 4th level as in summer 1973 Jedinstvena BiH liga was formed. Thanks for Jedinstvo Odžak/Brčko : I corrected that. About Borac Bosanski Šamac, do you think I'd have to change in "Borac B. Šamac" till 1991 and "Borac Šamac" later? I can change the template (predložak) of the club in it.wiki. I know the change of the league name in "Grupa A Prve zone", but I prefered to keep going with "Tuzlanska zona" because it's easier to understand for an Italian.--Ame71 (razgovor). 18:03, 22. rujna 2024. (CEST)

I'm not sure about what year to use for (Bosanski) Šamac. I tried looking for a source but found nothing except the first sentence of sh:Šamac (1992). – Croxyz ^💬 20:41, 22. rujna 2024. (CEST)

Are you sure that NK Odžak 102 and Jedinstvo Odžak are the same club? – Croxyz ^💬 22:58, 22. rujna 2024. (CEST)

@Croxyz I thought they are, aren't they? I haven't found other clubs in Odžak, so I thought they were the same club.--Ame71 (razgovor). 06:54, 23. rujna 2024. (CEST)

@Croxyz in this page an user says "U Bosanskom Novom nije nikad postojalo Jedinstvo.PRVAK ove lige je najvjerovatnije bilo Jedinstvo iz Odzaka!!!!". I don't know if it's true, but I see Bosanski Novi town was in Banjalučka zona, not Tuzlanska one.--Ame71 (razgovor). 07:19, 23. rujna 2024. (CEST)

@Croxyz In the end of the 50's I see Bih republican leagues were renamed "zone": in 1958 Banja Luka and Tuzla were the 1st zone, Zenica and Sarajevo the 2nd, Hercegovina the 3rd. In 1959 Banja Luka-Tuzla was the 2nd zone and Zenica-Sarajevo the 1st one. If Tuzlanska zona in 1968./69. was "Grupa A Prve zone", I suppose Sarajevo was "Grupa B Prve zone", Banja Luka "Grupa A Druge zone", Tuzla "Grupa B Druge zone" and Hercegovina "Trece zone". But I can't find the sources.--Ame71 (razgovor). 07:35, 23. rujna 2024. (CEST)

bs.wiki has this article: bs:FK Jedinstvo Odžak. The club has a Facebook profile. Looks like today it's a club for kids. – Croxyz ^💬 21:37, 23. rujna 2024. (CEST)

According to Podsavezna nogometna liga Doboj 1960./61. Jedinstvo Bosanski Novi (Novi Grad) did in fact exist according to the forum source. @Cybermb might check the other source, Godišnjak Fudbalskog saveza Jugoslavije 1960-61, if he still owns it. – Croxyz ^💬 21:51, 23. rujna 2024. (CEST)

@Cybermb's table in Podsavezna nogometna liga Doboj 1961./62. contains Jedinstvo Bosanski Novi (Novi Grad). The table is made from 2 sources. – Croxyz ^💬 23:39, 23. rujna 2024. (CEST)

At the moment I am writing FK Budućnost Banovići's table. What should I call the 1952./53. season? – Croxyz ^💬 00:41, 25. rujna 2024. (CEST)

Also keep in mind that I created all of these articles presented in the table from already existing articles and the club's own website. I haven't used the SportSport.ba forum (Ligaški vremeplov) at all. If you want, fell free to find the missing season and complete info for seasons like Međuopćinska nogometna liga Tuzla 1978./79. – Croxyz ^💬 01:07, 25. rujna 2024. (CEST)

On the forum I found the name of the 1952./53. season. It seems that the club created its pages based on the SportSport.ba forum (Ligaški vremeplov) meaning that some of the seasons have uncompleted tables! No wonder the club's website calls its history section Vremeplov. This explains the Jedinstvo Odžak/Bosanski Novi problem. Looks like I'll have to check every article to see if it has a complete table. Here's a list of forum pages for seasons that currently don't reference it (some seasons are listed repeatedly, I only listed the first appearence of each season):

• Oblasna liga Tuzla 1950.
• Sjeveroistočna nogometna zona 1973./74.
• Regionalna nogometna liga BiH – Sjever 1979./80.
• Međuopćinska nogometna liga Tuzla 1978./79.
• Regionalna nogometna liga BiH – Sjever 1980./81.
• Nogometno prvenstvo Jugoslavije – 4. ligaški rang 1953./54. The goal-difference is wrong. A disclamer should be put here.
• Podsavezna nogometna liga Tuzla 1959./60.
• Međupodsavezna nogometna liga Brčko – Doboj – Tuzla 1963./64.
• Međupodsavezna nogometna liga Brčko – Doboj – Tuzla 1965./66.
• Nogometno prvenstvo Jugoslavije – 3. ligaški rang 1956./57. Our current table is incomplete
• 1958./59. (missing season)

– Croxyz ^💬 02:46, 25. rujna 2024. (CEST)

I actually don't know what to call the 1952/53 season for Budućnost Banovići. Nogometno prvenstvo Jugoslavije – 3. ligaški rang 1952./53. + forum link – Croxyz ^💬 00:20, 26. rujna 2024. (CEST)

The 1959/60 table confuses me. Why would teams in a 9 team league play 17 matches instead of 16? Could have a club quit midseason? – Croxyz ^💬 17:24, 26. rujna 2024. (CEST)

Tuzlanska nogometna zona 1966./67. is missing from the list above. I'll have to find it later. – Croxyz ^💬 18:03, 26. rujna 2024. (CEST)

I just saw that 1 leg is missing in the 1959/60 season. I assume a club is missing in that table because If a club quitted they'd still be a part of the table. – Croxyz ^💬 20:38, 26. rujna 2024. (CEST)

I managed to find the 1966/67 season. – Croxyz ^💬 20:46, 26. rujna 2024. (CEST)

I've completed all of Budućnost Banovići's seasons. All that is left is the Jedinstvo Odžak/Bosanski Novi issue (still waiting for @Cybermb to check his sources), the 1959/60 season issue and what to call the 1952/53 season. I don't know how to answer any of those problems. – Croxyz ^💬 23:12, 26. rujna 2024. (CEST)

@Cybermb Between Jedinstvo Odžak/Bosanski Novi I think it was Odžak, because it's in north-east: the Tuzla and Doboj zone. Bosanski Novi is in north-west, an Jedisntvo B.N. would play in Banja Luka zone leagues. In these days i was working in it.wiki about HNK Borovo and NK Šparta Beli Manastir pages. Borovo was liquidated in 2018? I can't find it after that year. And why NK Šparta has no voice in hr.wiki? Anyway I can't find it after 2020, so I think it's been liquidated. Do you know anything?--Ame71 (razgovor). 15:05, 27. rujna 2024. (CEST)

@Cybermb what's the right version: FK Pelister Bitola or FK Pelister Bitolj?

@Ame71 and @Croxyz, I have some tables from Godišnjak FSJ 1960-1961

for Podsavezna nogometna liga Doboj 1960./61. at the 9th position is staded Jedinstvo (N. G.) - probably is wrong Bosanski Novi - it's a more western than Doboj area.

in book Vladimir Ravlić: Priča o jednoj Mladosti --- : nogometni klub "Mladost" Modran : 1952. – 2012. : monografija, Zagreb, 2012., ISBN 978-953-98328-0-1, there is staded Jedinstvo (Novi Grad) (again shown as Jedinstvo Bosanski Novi, but my first version of article, created January 30th, 2019,

I think it could be Novi Grad in Odžak municipality, which is in Bosanska Posavina region, and Doboj is also near

Look posavinasport.com, Spisak ekipa koje su se postojale u nekadašnjem Brčko i Doboj savezu- 1985 sezona., at Odzak clubs is shown Jedinstvo Novi Grad also

Bitola was common name for Bitolj used during Yugoslavia period, but nowdays, in Croatian it's more common stated as Bitolj

Hrvatski obiteljski leksikon

Proleksis enciklopedija

Hrvatski jezični portal

Cybermb (razgovor) 15:47, 27. rujna 2024. (CEST)

@Ame71 & @Cybermb, I couldn't find anything on Borovo past 7. rang HNL-a 2018./19.#NS Vukovar. The club probably (temporarily) stopped existing. As for NK Šparta Beli Manastir, it's simple: nobody wrote an article about the club. Serbo-Croatian wiki surprisingly has an article (it was written by a new user). I discourage translating it since it contains grammatical errors and zero sources. Lots of football clubs from Croatia do not have articles. Believe it or not two clubs that played in Croatia's 2nd division in the 90s didn't have articles up until amonth ago when I wrote them (NK Posavina Zagreb & NK Mladost-Nada Hrastovac) even though they were part of a template present in 37 different articles featuring current and previous Croatian 2nd tier sides (Predložak:2. HNL). Posavina's fate is similar to that of Borovo's – it is unknown. I changed back all three instances of "Jedinstvo Bosanski Novi" back to "Jedinstvo Novi Grad", since "Godišnjak 1960-61" is proof that a club called "Jedinstvo Novi Grad" did in fact exist as the name change occured in the 90s. A book published in 1961 obviously couldn't have used a name coined three decades later. – Croxyz ^💬 01:12, 28. rujna 2024. (CEST)

Grupa A Prve zone 1969./70. could've been won by Jedinstvo Odžak instead of Novi Grad although we don't have good sources. This site talking about Odžak states: U sezoni 1969.-70. Jedinstvo kao prvak „Tuzlanske zone“, igra neuspješno kvalifikacije sa FK „Galenika“ Zemun, za ulazak u II. saveznu ligu NS Jugoslavije. Iste godine momčad iz Odžaka osvaja titulu amaterskog prvaka BiH. Serbian wiki references this blogpost which states: Posle osvojene titule prvaka severne grupe Srpske lige,Galenici je do plasmana u severnu grupu Druge savezne lige preostao jos kvalifikacioni meč sa prvoplasiranom ekipom severne grupe Lige BiH,Jedinstvom iz Odžaka. Galenika je Jedinstvo pobedila i u Odžacima i u Zemunu i tako ušla na velika vrata u Drugu saveznu ligu. Sadly the history page on the club's website makes no mention of Jedinstvo. On the SportSport.ba forum I found: Tačna je i ispravka da Jedisntvo nije iz Bosanskog Novog već Odžaka. Potvrda već u tabeli naredne sezone. which referrs to Bosansko-sjeveroistočna zona 1970./71. in which Jedinstvo Odžak finished 2nd. I find it unusual that Jedinstvo Odžak isn't present in Tuzlanska nogometna zona 1968./69. even though it finished 4th in Tuzlanska nogometna zona 1967./68. We have no information on Jedinstvo Odžak playing in 1968./69. – Croxyz ^💬 02:04, 28. rujna 2024. (CEST)

I just realised that we have another table for Tuzlanska nogometna zona 1968./69. (F3 for 3 Jedinstvo, Odžak here). At the moment of writing our article states that Jedinstvo Brčko finished 3rd. This is false because Jedinstvo Brčko played in Druga savezna liga Jugoslavije u nogometu 1968./69. I'll correct it immediately. – Croxyz ^💬 02:08, 28. rujna 2024. (CEST)

I found more confirmation that Jedinstvo Odžak won Grupa A Prve zone 1969./70. Here we have:

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Kvalfikacije za popunu lige

Učesnici:

• Hajduk (Kula), prvaj Vojvođanske lige

• Galenika (Zemun), prvak Beogradske zone

• Valpovka (Valpovo), prvak Slavonske zone

• Jedinstvo (Odžak), prvak Tuzlanske zona

Hajduk (Kula) – Valpovka (Valpovo) 7:1 i 4:0

Galenika (Zemun) – Jedinstvo (Odžak) 5:1 i 3:1

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and on an other post featured in the same link:

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1 Jedinstvo, Odžak

2

3

4

5

6

7

8

9

10

11

12

13

14

15

16

Viši rang: Jedinstvo (Odžak) je igralo kvalifikacije za popunu Druge savezne lige – Sever protiv Galenike i nije uspelo

Ispali: ?

Novi članovi: ?

Napomene:

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– Croxyz ^💬 02:16, 28. rujna 2024. (CEST)

Anyways, I fixed Grupa A Prve zone 1969./70. See if anything needs to be fixed on it.wiki for this and previous season (Jedinstvo Brčko -> Jedinstvo Odžak) – Croxyz ^💬 02:30, 28. rujna 2024. (CEST)

@Cybermb I think Jedinstvo Odžak and Jedinstvo Novi Grad (I didn't know there was a Novi Grad in Odžak munioipality) are the same club. As to say Orijent Rijeka and Orijent Trsat.--Ame71 (razgovor). 14:52, 28. rujna 2024. (CEST)

In Druga savezna liga Jugoslavije u nogometu 1988./89. I hoped rsssf would have created the page. The cause of 3:0 for Bačka is at page 80 of this link.--Ame71 (razgovor). 15:02, 28. rujna 2024. (CEST)

@Ame71 & @Cybermb, Jedinstvo Odžak and Jedinstvo Novi Grad can't be the same club. In the incomplete 1985 club list Jedinstvo Odžak (under number 1) and Jedinstvo Novi Grad (under number 8) are listed separately under the Odžak section. Meanwhile, Jedinstvo Odžak featured in Nogometno prvenstvo Jugoslavije – 3. ligaški rang 1960./61. and Međupodsavezna nogometna liga Brčko – Doboj – Tuzla 1961./62., while Jedinstvo Novi Grad played in Podsavezna nogometna liga Doboj 1960./61. and Podsavezna nogometna liga Doboj 1961./62. – Croxyz ^💬 13:00, 29. rujna 2024. (CEST)

@Croxyz and @Ame71, I wrote that,

look again at Spisak ekipa koje su se postojale u nekadašnjem Brčko i Doboj savezu- 1985 sezona. - Odžak section - Jedinstvo Odžak is number 1, and Jedinstvo Novi Grad is by number 8.

Stated Odžaks' clubs in 1985 are:

1 Jedinstvo Odžak

2 Strolit Odžak

3 Mladost Gornja Dubica

4 Jelen Trnjak

5 Bratstvo Gornji Svilaj

6 Mladost Donji Svilaj

7 Bratstvo Donja Dubica

8 Jedinstvo Novi Grad

9 Mera Vojskova

10 Napredak Srnava

11 Posavina Posavska Mahala

12 Polet Vrbovac

13 Novoselac Novo Selo

14 Omladinac Potočani

15 Borac Gnionica

so Jedinstvo Odžak and Jedinstvo Novi Grad are not same club

In book

• Bratislav Stojanović, Dragiša Kovačević: "Jugoslovenski fudbalski klubovi", Beograd, 1977., str. 1367

there is information about FK Jedinsvo Novi Grad - founded in 1950 and (mid 1970s) playing in Grupna liga Doboj

In book

• Iljo Dominković: Nogomet u Bosanskoj Posavini : 1920-1995, Orašje, 1996., ISBN 953-6432-18-8 (B - graf), str. 143

for 1992. - NK "Jedinstvo" Novi Grad" - member of Općinska liga Odžak

for NK Odžak 102 - I'm not sure is it same club (or it's legal continution) as Jedinstvo Odžak (playing during Yugoslavia), but as I wrote at my discuss page - Odzak 102 - played 1994./95. and 1995./96. seasons as Jedinstvo 102

also, in Nogomet u Bosanskoj Posavini : 1920-1995 is not described connection between Jedinstvo and Jedinstvo 102, although there is a chapter about 1994/95 season

Cybermb (razgovor) 17:11, 29. rujna 2024. (CEST)

@Croxyz thanks for the infos. IMHO: not a great idea to call two clubs so close by the same name.--Ame71 (razgovor). 15:33, 30. rujna 2024. (CEST)

Republička nogometna liga Bosne i Hercegovine

I just wanted to inform you that Croatian articles Republička nogometna liga Bosne i Hercegovine 1976./77.‎, Republička nogometna liga Bosne i Hercegovine 1977./78.‎ and Republička nogometna liga Bosne i Hercegovine 1978./79.‎ contain faulty tables. I managed to fix Republička nogometna liga Bosne i Hercegovine 1979./80. I haven't checked Italian wiki. I presume that at least some of these errors exist both on Italian and Croatian Wikis. – Croxyz ^💬 01:13, 30. rujna 2024. (CEST)

I also fixed Republička nogometna liga Bosne i Hercegovine 1980./81. – Croxyz ^💬 01:22, 30. rujna 2024. (CEST)

Republička nogometna liga Bosne i Hercegovine 1983./84. is also faulty. – Croxyz ^💬 01:40, 30. rujna 2024. (CEST)

Republička nogometna liga Bosne i Hercegovine 1984./85. is incorrect. – Croxyz ^💬 01:46, 30. rujna 2024. (CEST)

Same with Republička nogometna liga Bosne i Hercegovine 1986./87. For some of these seasons the tables matched, however I was scared of checking if the goal difference or no. of wins/losses is correct. FK Kozara's accidently repeated the table for 1984./85. in place of the 1987./88. so I couldn't have checked it. – Croxyz ^💬 01:54, 30. rujna 2024. (CEST)

Nor is Republička nogometna liga Bosne i Hercegovine – Zapad 1989./90. Unfortunately, I don't think I will be able to make FK Kozara Bosanska Gradiška's table to assist you. I'll have to see which club is next. – Croxyz ^💬 02:07, 30. rujna 2024. (CEST)

@Croxyzlet me know when you'll fix all the tables, so I will make the same in it.wiki (i copied the tables from hr.wiki when I created the 3rd division seasons).--Ame71 (razgovor). 15:49, 30. rujna 2024. (CEST)

@Ame71, the issue is that tables from FK Kozara's website and Cybermb's books do not match, in other words they differentiate. Usually, the easiest way to tell which table is genuine is by checking points, seeing if the total number of wins matches the number of losses, if the total number of goals scored matches the total number of goals conceded etc. Most of the tables mentioned above fail these tests meaning that we can't tell which one is correct with certainty. Too bad there are no easily accessible official tables (published by leagues/federations etc.). When compared to Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina in digitalising newspapers, scientific articles and other types of media (access to information in general) which are usually used for Wikipedia citations. – Croxyz ^💬 23:35, 30. rujna 2024. (CEST)

And the obvious factor: the war which left large damage to major urban centres where such football history data would be stored (e.g. Sarajevo, Mostar, Tuzla which has their own "zona" leagues). For example (if I recall correctly) there is no definitive answer to the question of what is the first football club from Bosnia and Herzegovina. Croatia, on the other hand, has an entire list of early clubs, presumably with the foundation dates/years of these clubs. – Croxyz ^💬 23:49, 30. rujna 2024. (CEST)

I just remembered that I forgot to notify you earlier today that it seems that FK Jedinstvo Brčko ceased to exist two years ago (see today's edits). – Croxyz ^💬 00:16, 1. listopada 2024. (CEST)

I plan on doing FK Omarska's seasons. The style of their tables is eerily similar to yours. Do you know the origin of this style? Is it mimicking your articles/SportSport.ba forum posts or did this style develop somewhere else? – Croxyz ^💬 02:30, 1. listopada 2024. (CEST)

@Croxyz yes, I took the style from SportSport.ba forum, as it's easier to write and easy to understand for a reader. In Prva liga seasons I used another style because there were more things to write (the European cups).--Ame71 (razgovor). 04:18, 1. listopada 2024. (CEST)

Željezničar seasons from the early 20s

Previously I've mentioned that I've found a book about FK Željezničar Sarajevo. I did a brief check on it.wiki and found that early season from the 1920s and 1946 are missing (I only looked for links, I didn't check if already existing seasons had incomplete tables or none at all). Do you know Cyrillic? If not I could help you transcribe the tables. – Croxyz ^💬 20:51, 3. listopada 2024. (CEST)

@Croxyz mmmh, no, I can't read cyrillic... About Željezničar history I know this link. For the seasons from 1918 to 1941 it would be good to have this book.--Ame71 (razgovor). 05:17, 4. listopada 2024. (CEST)

I compared the tables from your link's 1921/22 season to the same table in the Cyrillic book (page 30) and they don't match. – Croxyz ^💬 10:20, 4. listopada 2024. (CEST)

1922/23, 1923/24, 1924/25, 1295/26 seasons also doesn't match. – Croxyz ^💬 10:25, 4. listopada 2024. (CEST)

I didn't check if the tables from the Cyrillic books match with the already existing tablespre-WW2 tables on Italian Wiki. The 1945/46 table on page 2 of the forum link matches with the one on page 76 of the book, however the forum fails to list the matches on page 74: Sloboda vs Udarnik, Željezničar vs Udarnik, Sloboda vs Željezničar. It also notes (same page) that Gradski fiskulturni odbor decided on Februry 12 1946 to nullify the results of three autumn (the ones I mentioned) games and that a new city championship (Prvenstvo grada Sarajeva) should be held in March 1946. I also forgot to mention that I didn't compare the players list from the 1920s seasons. – Croxyz ^💬 10:35, 4. listopada 2024. (CEST)

That 1945/46 Sarajevo City Championship is featured as Južna skupina in Kvalifikacije za Prvu saveznu ligu 1946./47.#Bosna i Hercegovina, although it doesn't mention the nullified 1945 matches. It would be good to turn the "text tabels" into actual wikitables for that season, mainly because it isn't not possible to access these seasons from the "Puntano qui" link on club articles. – Croxyz ^💬 10:41, 4. listopada 2024. (CEST)

As for pre-WW2 seasons, this book contains a lot of them. I remember finding more pre-WW2 seasons on Suradnik:Croxyz/Izvori. Maksimir's seasons are missing. – Croxyz ^💬 10:47, 4. listopada 2024. (CEST)

Same for seasons of leagues played in Rijeka (Fiume). Results of Pre-WW2 Vojvodina mathces exist. I didn't check for numerous Vrbas clubs, Crikvenica nor the books on Slovenian football. – Croxyz ^💬 11:02, 4. listopada 2024. (CEST)

In the evening I might compare the sources to this list on Željezničar’s site. I could probably even turn that list into a large wikitable within an hour (I’d probably need another one to add and find all the article names). – Croxyz ^💬 11:55, 4. listopada 2024. (CEST)

It will be possible. It'll just take a lot of time. It'll expand Željezničar's article by around 65 thousand bytes. – Croxyz ^💬 20:00, 4. listopada 2024. (CEST)

I keep forgetting to add information about the 1945/46 Sarajevo City Championship. I might do it tomorrow if i remember. – Croxyz ^💬 00:55, 10. listopada 2024. (CEST)

Currently I'm wikipedifying Kvalifikacije za Prvu saveznu ligu 1946./47. (switching plain text to tables, adding links to articles, calculating "kvoc."). I haven't added the 1945/46 Sarajevo City Championship yet. It seems that RSSSF records more missing Croatian competitions/results. I haven't checked RSSF for other parts of Yugoslavia. Articles in Kategorija:Hrvatska nogometna natjecanja - sezona 1945./46. require cleaning (especially Prvenstvo grada Splita 1946.) These articles contain even more missing results (e.g. Kvalifikacije za Prvu saveznu ligu 1946./47. doesn't mention the two preliminary competitions in Prvenstvo Zagreba u nogometu 1946.) There is no mention of Nogometno prvenstvo grada Osijeka 1946. whatsoever in Kvalifikacije za Prvu saveznu ligu 1946./47. Do you plan on redoing the article? – Croxyz ^💬 23:00, 11. listopada 2024. (CEST)

There's also it:Qualificazioni alla Hrvatska liga 1946 which includes an incomplete table for Nogometno prvenstvo grada Osijeka 1946. I didn't compare it to RSSSF so i don't know if anything is missing. Also I haven't checked Italian Wiki for other parts of Yugoslavia. – Croxyz ^💬 23:10, 11. listopada 2024. (CEST)

Doing Bosnia and Herzegovina at the moment. I checked yoour source and I can see that it contains missing results for Bosnia and Herzegovina, as well for other parts of Yugoslavia. "Sjeverni dio" (Northern part) and "Južni dio" (Southern part) seem strange to me (see earlier messages). – Croxyz ^💬 23:26, 11. listopada 2024. (CEST)

I'll go to bed soon so I can't research these names today. I stumbled upon this source which I'll use to try and expand some Bosnia and Herzegovina seasons from the 1950s. – Croxyz ^💬 23:57, 11. listopada 2024. (CEST)

The naming confusion doesn't end there. FK Željezničar's official website calls Velež Mostar the winner of Mostar region and Borac the winner of Banja Luka region (U razigravanju smo odmjerili snage sa pobjednicima drugih regionalnih takmičenja u BiH, tj. sa pobjednikom banjalučke regije Borcem i pobjednikom mostarske regije Veležom.). The Cyrillic book (page 77) also names Borac as the winner of the Northern Group (similarly to claudionicoletti.eu/'s Northern part), however it refers to Velež as the winner of the Southern Group, as opposed to claudionicoletti.eu's "Herzegovina". claudionicoletti.eu instead calls the Sarajevo City Championship the Southern Group. – Croxyz ^💬 16:15, 12. listopada 2024. (CEST)

I think we'll have to wait for the Internet Archive to see what's written in exyufudbal. On Ligaški vremeplov I found the same naming scheme as in the Cyrillic book. – Croxyz ^💬 16:24, 12. listopada 2024. (CEST)

@Croxyz I see Wayback Internet Archive is under hacker attack: no good for us.... --Ame71 (razgovor). 17:11, 12. listopada 2024. (CEST)

Yep. Been like that these past few days. It happened while I was doing NK Svačić Stari Slatnik's table. – Croxyz ^💬 17:16, 12. listopada 2024. (CEST)

At the moment I'm adding links to Vojvodina clubs in Kvalifikacije za Prvu saveznu ligu 1946./47. Are you sure that Jedinstvo Senta is FK Senta and Radnički Inđija FK Inđija? – Croxyz ^💬 17:34, 12. listopada 2024. (CEST)

I couldn't figure out any Vojvodina club so I started fixing Serbia. I see that Italian wiki again has information not mentioned on Croatian wiki, this time in it:Qualificazioni alla Srpska liga 1946. – Croxyz ^💬 17:47, 12. listopada 2024. (CEST)

@Croxyz Now I'm not so sure. When I created the pages I thought Senta and Inđija were the clubs I was looking for beacuse there weren't others... --Ame71 (razgovor). 17:57, 12. listopada 2024. (CEST)

The clubs appear in Prvenstvo Srbije u nogometu 1947./48., Vojvođanska nogometna liga 1947./48., Sjeverna grupa Srpske nogometne lige 1946./47. I don't know if there are more dubious clubs. – Croxyz ^💬 19:02, 12. listopada 2024. (CEST)

I'm checking all of the clubs from those seasons. Omladinac Kragujevac from Prvenstvo Srbije u nogometu 1947./48. can't be FK Zastava Kragujevac because FK Zastava Kragujevac was founded almost three decades later. – Croxyz ^💬 21:48, 12. listopada 2024. (CEST)

Can you find anything on Proleter Pirot being FK Radnički Pirot,

Bratstvo Đakovica being KF Vëllaznimi Đakovica and Željezničar Kosovo Polje being KF Fushë Kosova? The last two are from Kosovo, so it is possible that they are translations. – Croxyz ^💬 21:58, 12. listopada 2024. (CEST)

@Croxyz If you find something wrong you have to change. Clubs in YU changed more times their name, this is very strange for us Italians. And in DDR and Czechoslovakia was worst: some clubs have 8 changed names in their history. This is tipical of countries under communism. Creating sport pages in it.wiki is easier.--Ame71 (razgovor). 22:29, 12. listopada 2024. (CEST)

@Croxyz I'm thinking it's better if you work the 3rd YU division pages. I'm not mothertongue and I can make 1st and 2nd rang, but doing the same for 3rd one I see it's too much for my skills (there are too many sites to check, too many names, complicated rules and changes, lots of datas impossible to find).--Ame71 (razgovor). 22:29, 12. listopada 2024. (CEST)

I'll try and find confirmation for those clubs later. I managed to uncover every Serbian club from Kvalifikacije za Prvu saveznu ligu 1946./47. except Borac Beograd. I already wrote every Croatian and Bosnia and Herzegovinian 3rd division season I could find from sites on Suradnik:Croxyz/Izvori. I never really tried searching for Montenegro, Vojvodina and Serbia. The way I found all these websites listed on Suradnik:Croxyz/Izvori is by searching the name of competition in all grammatical cases. For example, yesterday I searched for Snaga Mostar from Kvalifikacije za Prvu saveznu ligu 1946./47. I googled "Snaga Mostar" 1946. By putting Snaga Mostar in "" Google only gave me results that specifically used the phrase Snaga Mostar. I found that it competed in Mostarski potsavez (or in modern Croatian podsavez). I searched for "Mostarski podsavez" (and potsavez) in all grammatical cases and found this website which I used to expand Podsavezna nogometna liga Mostar 1952. For each competition I usually get anywhere from 0 to 2 useful results depending on how long it existed and its stage on the league pyramid. If you take a closer look at Suradnik:Croxyz/Izvori you'll mostly find small groups of clubs that played in the same league at one point (or in other words they are really close). An example would be the tiny region of Međimurje which managed to feature 4 times (although some of these were found by Cybermb) while Istrian and Dalmatian (ignoring Hajduk and OSK Otok which only features seasons after the breakup of Yugoslavia) clubs did not feature at all! The reason I mentioned Montenegro, Vojvodina and Serbia previously is due to them having either a large number of leagues of which Italian Wiki rarely has a lot of information or due to their languages being written both in Cyrillic and Latin making it harder to find useful information on Google. Slovenia, Kosovo and Macedonia face the language barrier. I know that this exists for Macedonia however I don't really know how much of these seasons are covered on Croatian Wiki. I never tried searching for RSSSF tables for parts of Yugoslavia besides Croatia. Keep in mind that at least half of the club website links from Suradnik:Croxyz/Izvori were found from your and Cybermb's articles on Croatian Wiki. I highly doubt that there are more than 5 still uncovered club websites for Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina. You can always translate the various lower leagues from Italian Wikipedia, do pre-WW2 leagues. In case you want to coversomething that isn't covered on Croatian and Italian Wikipedias, and is easy for you to understand and create, I suggest:

a) Taking a look at various pre-WW2 seasons I posted in this discussion previously

b) This one season (If I recall correctly Ligaški vremeplov contains tables for other groups of that same season)

c) NK Polet Sveti Martin na Muri seasons from 1965 to 1984.

d) NK Hajduk Brezje seasons from 1962 to 1991

e) every single FK Omarska season. Serbian Wikipedia contains tables for every post-Yugoslavia season. These tables need to be added to various articles from 2002 to 2021.

There are also several seasons from various lower leagues that are linked on Cybermb's talk page with which I have problems, mostly the competition names. Cybermb will hopefully manage to uncover at least some of these somewhere in the future. – Croxyz ^💬 23:32, 12. listopada 2024. (CEST)

By the way I fixed the entire Kvalifikacije za Prvu saveznu ligu 1946./47. article. All that's needed is to add the various matches/missing leagues from RSSSF, Italian Wiki, Kategorija:Hrvatska nogometna natjecanja - sezona 1945./46. articles and sources used in Kvalifikacije za Prvu saveznu ligu 1946./47. Would you be interested in (partially) expanding the article? I'll try and see if I can find those club names (Jedinstvo Senta and others). If not I'll remove them. – Croxyz ^💬 23:40, 12. listopada 2024. (CEST)

RSSSF also has Slovenian and Montenegrin tables. – Croxyz ^💬 00:21, 13. listopada 2024. (CEST)

I just wanted to notify you that the Internet Archive is back although it's really slow for me. – Croxyz ^💬 00:50, 15. listopada 2024. (CEST)

@Croxyz It's very good, Internet Archive is plenty of sources good for us!--Ame71 (razgovor). 01:00, 15. listopada 2024. (CEST)

Yeah. It's running okay right now. I managed to complete all of the Serbian competitions/matches in Kvalifikacije za Prvu saveznu ligu 1946./47. Currently I'm doing Zagreb. – Croxyz ^💬 01:06, 15. listopada 2024. (CEST)

Predložak:Crnogorska republička nogometna liga

I don't know if you have noticed that I added the Predložak:Crnogorska republička nogometna liga template in FR Yugoslavia 2nd divison (Druga liga Srbije i Crne Gore u nogometu) season articles. Should that template be featured in Nogometno prvenstvo Srbije i Crne Gore – 2. ligaški rang 2004./05. and Nogometno prvenstvo Srbije i Crne Gore – 2. ligaški rang 2005./06.? For those two season the template contains links to Prva crnogorska nogometna liga articles, as opposed to Druga liga Srbije i Crne Gore u nogometu articles. I didn't know what links to add for seasons spanning from 1991 to 2006 so I left them blank. Should 2004./05. and 2005./06. be removed from that row? – Croxyz ^💬 19:36, 23. listopada 2024. (CEST)

@Croxyz I noticed there were a new template in the Druga liga SCG pages, and I agree. In 2004./05. and 2005./06. seasons the Montenegrin leagues were called "Prva crnogorska nogometna liga", I don't know if we can consider it as prosecutor of "Crnogorska republička nogometna liga" for 2 seasons (since 2006 it became top level). I've a doubt: Crnogorska republička liga was 3. rang in 2003./04., but I don't know if in the following seasons kept that name, or changed it in "Druga crnogorska nogometna liga".Ame71 (razgovor). 20:09, 23. listopada 2024. (CEST)

RSSSF [ doesn't mention its name. It only mentions the name of the three groups (Južna, Srednja and Severna grupa) which made up the league. – Croxyz ^💬 20:21, 23. listopada 2024. (CEST)

@Croxyz In en.wiki, "Crnogorska republička nogometna liga" is considered till 2006, not just 1991. And they consider just the 3rd rang ones, so the seasons from 2000 to 2006 wouldn't be right to insert as template in Druga liga SCG (IMHO).Ame71 (razgovor). 12:20, 24. listopada 2024. (CEST)

Požega

Požega was called Slavonska Požega until 1991. This should be corrected on Italian Wiki in articles such as it:Zonske lige 1964-1965#Slavonia. – Croxyz ^💬 13:30, 27. listopada 2024. (CET)

Same for NK Požega -> NK Požega Slavonska Požega and NK Zvečevo Požega -> NK Zvečevo Slavonska Požega. – Croxyz ^💬 13:39, 27. listopada 2024. (CET)

@Croxyz I know (I found also Titovo Užice, Titov Vrbas, etc), but I think it's not important for a 3rd division page in it.wiki. If i created a single page (like Slavonska nogometna zona 1964./65.), I added the map and the real name of the towns and of the clubs, of course.Ame71 (razgovor). 13:55, 27. listopada 2024. (CET)

Podsavezna prvenstva

@Ame71, za ovo

• Slovensko podsavezno nogometno prvenstvo 1959./60. i
• Podsavezno prvenstvo Crne Gore u nogometu 1959./60.

je si li mogao za svaki podsavez zasebno napraviti ljestvicu kao što sam ja svojevremeo počeo, kao u člancima Podsavezna nogometna liga Maribor 1960./61. ili Prvenstvo nogometnog podsaveza Kotor 1960./61., odnosno možeš vidjeti po kategorijama Slovenska nogometna natjecanja po sezonama (1945. – 1991.) i Crnogorska nogometna natjecanja (1945. – 1991.)
ok, recimo zbog veličine je za Sloveniju ili Crnu Goru (posebno) tako lakše raditi, ali recimo imamo

• Međupodsavezna nogometna liga Maribor – Murska Sobota 1962./63. pa ispod podsavezne lige

Cybermb (razgovor) 19:25, 16. studenoga 2024. (CET)

@Cybermb, rađe mu piši na engleskom jer je Talijan. Mislio sam ja spojiti te članke u 1 nakon što ih sve napiše. Mislim da zna da imamo Predložak:Sezone 4. stupnja nogometnog prvenstva FNRJ/SFRJ. – Croxyz ^💬 19:29, 16. studenoga 2024. (CET)

@Cybermb i @Croxyz nema problema s jezikom, tu je Google translate. Imajući samo ljestvicu, bez ikakvih drugih informacija, činilo se ispravnim grupirati prvenstva umjesto stvaranja jedne stranice za svako od njih. Znam Predložak 4. reda: ja sam ga stvorio.Ame71 (razgovor). 08:21, 17. studenoga 2024. (CET)

Macedonian league 1953/54

I've finally managed to uncover something for Macedonia. Sadly it's an incorrect table. It's here. Tikveš should have 30 instead of 38 points. The goal difference is also wrong (490:486). The number of losses is correct, unlike on English Wikipedia (en:1953–54 Macedonian Republic League) where the goal difference is also wrong (483:486). The site may contain complete tables elsewhere. I didn't manage to find any and I took a brief look. Did you manage to uncover the 1950/60 Croatian and Serbian tables in the end? – Croxyz ^💬 14:23, 17. studenoga 2024. (CET)

Missing Montenegro tables i've found

So I've finally managed to find an online source on Montenegro football history (Serbian Wikipedia). I've added it (a series of 20+ articles) to Suradnik:Croxyz/Izvori. Here is a list of newfound information:

• Prvenstvo nogometnog podsaveza Titograd 1963./64. (see Prvenstvo nogometnog podsaveza Titograd 1962./63.). Goal difference 84 != 83. Source:
• Prvenstvo nogometnog podsaveza Titograd 1965./66. Goal difference 411 != 405. Source:
• Južna nogometna regija 1978./79. ("Južna fudbalska regija" in Serb./Monte., literally Southern Football Region), a competition below Crnogorska republička liga and Titogradski pdosavez. Goal difference 275 != 274. Source:
• Južna nogometna regija 1985./86., winner was promoted to Crnogorska republička liga next season. Goal difference 423 = 423. Source:
• You've noticed on Italian wiki that Nogometno_prvenstvo_Jugoslavije_–_3._ligaški_rang_1989./90.#Međurepublička_liga_–_Jug has 2 different tables. HRnogometdb's table (it:Treća_Liga_1989-1990#Classifica_3) doesn't match with FSG Zrenjanin's points tally listed below. Sadly FSG Zrenjanin only mentions the points each club had. This source offers a third table. It doesn't match FSG Zrenjanin's points tally, however it's close. It isn't 100% accurate as the goal difference is 754 != 734. @Cybermb has access to a book about NK Neretva Metković (NK_Neretva_Metković#Statistika_natjecanja will probably needed to be changed) and archives of Sloboda Dalmacija, a newspaper that reported Dalmatian football results (Neretva Metković is a Dalmatian club), so he might solve this issue. There used to be a book about NK Vitez on isssu, however it has been removed and I can't view it on Wayback Archive. Maybe Cybermb has a copy?
• Nogometno_prvenstvo_Jugoslavije_–_3._ligaški_rang_1991./92.#Međurepublička_liga_–_Jug has a correct table unlike
• Nameless competition from Montenegro 1992./93. (3rd rank or lower). Goal difference is 553 != 552. Source:
• Južna nogometna regija 1998./99. Goal difference is 245 != 235. Source: . Drogoplasirani “Arsenal” i trećeplasirani “Mornar” su igrali sa ekipama iz ostalih regija baraž za popunu crnogorske lige. Crnogorska seems to be a 3rd tier competition according to Druga liga SR Jugoslavije u nogometu 1998./99. and Druga liga SR Jugoslavije u nogometu 1999./00.
• I do not know if the following season (1999./00.) contains a missing match (15 are listed instead of 16).
• Republička liga Crne Gore 2000./01. Goal difference 946 = 946. Source: . Third tier according to Druga_liga_SR_Jugoslavije_u_nogometu_2000./01.#Jug
• Druga_liga_SR_Jugoslavije_u_nogometu_2001./02.#Ljestvica_4 has a correct table unlike

I stopped my research the year Montenegro got its independence. @Cybermb has several books on Montenegrin history as well. These books might cover the aforementioned seasons (and hopefully, contain correct goal differences). – Croxyz ^💬 02:41, 18. studenoga 2024. (CET)

A continuation of #Predložak:Crnogorska republička nogometna liga follows:

The source, Barski portal, uses "Republička liga" for 1993./94., 1994./95., 1996./97., 2000./01. – Croxyz ^💬 02:52, 18. studenoga 2024. (CET)

Kvalifikacije za Vojvođansku nogometnu ligu 1960./61.

I managed to uncover the Vojvođanska nogometna liga 1960./61. qualifiers. The table can be found here near the bottom left corner.
Source name: Somborske novine, godina VII, br. 324., 19 avgust 1960, str. 7.
I'll add this source to Suradnik:Croxyz/Izvori later.
1. Subotica
2. Mladost
3. Tekstilac
4. Potisje
5. ŽAK

I'm really confused. There's a club called ŽAK in Banatska nogometna liga 1959./60. (finished 5th) and Potisje in Bačka nogometna liga 1959./60. (finished 4th). The qualifiers definitely aren't made up as firstplaced Subotica played in Vojvođanska nogometna liga 1960./61. The club didn't compete in Vojvođanska nogometna liga 1959./60.

Also, there's this article on Serbian wiki with full names of Podsavezna nogometna liga Sombor 1959./60. clubs. – Croxyz ^💬 21:39, 21. studenoga 2024. (CET)

I found clarification in Somborske novine, godina VII, br. 315., 17 jun 1960, str. 7. (under Ekipe ŽAK i Tekstilca podbacile...). The 5 participating teams are the top 4 clubs of Bačka nogometna liga 1959./60. (Tekstilac Odžaci, Mladost Apatin, ŽAK Sombor and Potisje Kanjiža) and winner of Podsavezna nogometna liga Subotica 1959./60. (FK Subotica, not OFK Subotica, looks like a name change occured later on). I think this is what @Cybermb warned us about clubs from two different tiers participating in the same qualifiers. I might look for other club names later on (e.g. Bačka nogometna liga 1959./60.). Idk if there were any more qualifiers for Vojvođanska nogometna liga 1960./61. – Croxyz ^💬 21:54, 21. studenoga 2024. (CET)

I decided to call (O)FK Subotica Subotica in order to solve this naming issue. From Somborske novine I managed to extract every full club name of clubs participating in Bačka nogometna liga 1959./60. and Podsavezna nogometna liga Subotica 1959./60. At the moment all that's left is the qualifiers table in Bačka nogometna liga 1959./60. and Podsavezna nogometna liga Subotica 1959./60. I don't think there is information on any other qualifier groups. – Croxyz ^💬 01:32, 22. studenoga 2024. (CET)

I just did a review of every 1959/60 season in Godišnjak FSJ to see if anything is missing. Every Serbian podsavez is missing, Podsavez Čakovec and Dubrovnik in Croatia, Podsavez Kranj in Slovenia are also missing. During the day I’ll partition the Slovenian and Montenegrin articles with all Podsavez competitions into seperate articles for each Podsavez. – Croxyz ^💬 02:22, 22. studenoga 2024. (CET)

@Croxyz Ok for FK Subotica and the single subfederation pages from Slovenia and Montenegro. Now I'm keeping going with 3rd division 1967./68. Ame71 (razgovor). 07:04, 22. studenoga 2024. (CET)

I've done everything from that list except the Serbian Podsavez and Podsavez Dubrovnik articles. I'm leaving that to you. – Croxyz ^💬 01:02, 23. studenoga 2024. (CET)

Podsavez Beograd is covered by Borba. I managed to find this. If we were to go through numerous issues of the paper, we could find the names. I don't plan on doing that tonight. I found that BSK is FK BSK Batajnica. Later on I also found this: sr:ФК_Хајдук_Београд#Сезоне_од_1958/59_до_1960/61. Did you know that these tables existed? They can probably be of use in 3. ligaški rang articles.

Podsavez Kragujevac is for some reason missing from Godišnjak FSJ. It's included on page 233 of Milorad Sijić, Fudbal u Rasinskom okrugu (dopunjeno izdanje), Kruševac 2020. Kragujevačka zona qualifiers are listed on page 234.

I found no information on other Serbian Podsavez competitions for that season. – Croxyz ^💬 01:30, 23. studenoga 2024. (CET)

@Croxyz I used Hajduk BG page on sr.wiki for two 3rd division seasons (1960./61. and 1961./62.). Palilulac BG wiki page is full of tables, but unfortunately only lower leagues. What's the name of Podsavez Dubrovnik page: Podsavezna nogometna liga Dubronik 1959./60. or Prvenstvo Dubrovačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1959./60. ? I think it's 4th level, while III. zonska nogometna liga BiH 1959./60. is the upper division. But I never heard the 5 clubs of that league and none of them reached the Hercegovačka zona in previuos and following seasons. Ame71 (razgovor). 10:03, 23. studenoga 2024. (CET)

I don't know what to name it. @Cybermb said that he might check Slobodna Dalmacija's archive (see: Razgovor_sa_suradnikom:Cybermb#1959./60.). I don't know if we can determine the tier/level. "Dubrovnik" is a false giveaway. The participating clubs are all from the island of Korčula except Omladinac which is from Lastovo. The southern tip of Korčula is 80 kilometres away from Dubrovnik. A large number of islands separate Dubrovnik from Korčula. Keep in mind that clubs from Dubrovnik (Dubrovnik and GOŠK) played in III. zonska nogometna liga BiH 1959./60. which is listed among Bosnia and Herzegovina competitions in Godišnjak FSJ while this Korčula and Lastovo competition is listed alongside Croatian competitions. Given that this is a league consisting of two islands, Korčula and Lastovo, with Lastovo possibly having only 1 single club, I wouldn't be surprised that this is both the lowest tier and a closed competition meaning that promotion and relegation is nonexistent. In 1963, there was a competition called Nogometno prvenstvo otoka srednje Dalmacije 1963./64. which saw all Podsavez Dubrovnik 1959./60. clubs participate except Sloga Žrnovo. The league also contained two clubs from Hvar, an island north of Korčula. For Podsavezna nogometna liga Čakovec 1959./60. I used this source from the Međimurje Football Association (a body that oversees Međimurje competitions). It claims that a Podsavez needed to have at least 6 clubs to form. Podsavez Dubrovnik saw 5 clubs participate instead of the minimum 6 clubs. A club could've possibly disbanded or decided not to participate. Fun fact: there's a competition called Hvarska nogometna liga which exists to this very day. This league consists exclusively of Hvar clubs. It's a closed competition (no promotion and relegation) with the winner sometimes getting promoted to the lowest tier of 2. ŽNL Splitsko-dalmatinska. – Croxyz ^💬 14:55, 23. studenoga 2024. (CET)

Possibly bad news

Almost a month ago I did a comparison between Wikipedia's current tables and Napredak Kruševac's tables. You might recallme pointing out a large number of inconsistencies at razgovor sa suradnikom:Croxyz#Srpska liga – Jug. From time to time I fix such issues. Today I might've found a rather large one. On my talk page I've noted that "Ligaški vremeplov and Napredak Kruševac offer tables which do not match our current one in Druga_savezna_liga_Jugoslavije_u_nogometu_1968./69.#Ljestvica_4." Back then we didn't really have access to sources from Yugoslavia (only modern ones). Now that we have access to the Belgrade daily Borba, I have decided to check it. Page 8 of June 18 edition does contain typos meaning it isn't 100% accurate (e.g. goal difference accidently repeated twice, a wrong number is written etc.). It favoured the tables present in Ligaški vremeplov and Napredak Kruševac's book. Our current table is from Historical Lineups. They present results of each match meaning that it's easier to check the accuracy of tables. Do we know how accurate it is? What sources does it employ? Did Historical Lineups find these errors and correct them? I then decided to quickly compare Borba's other tables with Druga_savezna_liga_Jugoslavije_u_nogometu_1968./69. Not a single table matches! Luckily we do have other newspaper sources for each of the 4 groups. I'll be quite busy these days so you can't count on me helping out. If Historical Lineups' tables are found to be inconsistent with the newspaper ones, we can easily fix them. But what about match results? Will we have to check every single match? Do we even have newspaper sources for every matches? I doubt that every newspaper reported every match in the league. – Croxyz ^💬 00:19, 25. studenoga 2024. (CET)

@Croxyz finding reliable sources is also a problem on it.wiki, for example (I manage the regional leagues of Friuli) one of the websites I use, https://www.tuttocampo.it, is no good for it.wiki admin: they want the they want the official press releases from the football federation. It's easy for the actual leagues, but not for the old ones. I went to Udine library and I found tables till 1954 (from the papers), but there isn't an accurance of 100%. In hr.wiki, when I find two different tables, I use to notice it as in Podsavezna_nogometna_liga_Zrenjanin_1959./60.#Zapadna_skupina. Ame71 (razgovor). 11:48, 26. studenoga 2024. (CET)

This week I'll be rather busy and I might take a temporary break. I'll review the 1968./69. season later. Today, I have finally managed to uncover something for Macedonia: A Facebook page dedicated to FK Belasica Strumica history. I don't have a Facebbok account so I can't completely view the page. – Croxyz ^💬 20:04, 30. studenoga 2024. (CET)

This site contains newspapers with tables of FR Yugoslavia. You might find the answer to the Montenegro problem. – Croxyz ^💬 20:24, 30. studenoga 2024. (CET)

@Croxyz it's good, unfortunately for me it's in cyrillic and impossible to copy and translate. Anyway I think I can do it for the republican leagues, as I know the "sudionici". Will you add this in your "izvori" page? Ame71 (razgovor). 08:34, 1. prosinca 2024. (CET)

Already added it, as well as a new source for Montenegro. For the FK Belasica seasons, just send me the link to the images and I’ll gladly list the clubs. As far as I can see the images are included in posts that talk about each season. Because of this, we will known which season is represented by which table. If I remember correctly, RSSSF has tables with incorrect goal-differences. Now that we have images of the tables, we have a shot at correcting them. – Croxyz ^💬 11:29, 1. prosinca 2024. (CET)

I'll be checking the Druga savezna liga articles later. These days I wanted to write NK Šparta Beli Manastir. I checked sh.wiki and it.wiki (it:Nogometni klub Šparta Beli Manastir. Sh.wiki has 0 sources, while it.wiki only has 2 sources. The first two paragraphs of the history section ("Storia") contain 0 sources. Several weeks ago I tried searching for the Sparta Prague connection (1st paragraph) and found nothing online. Maybe that paragraph should be deleted? I decided to look into the missing seasons from the "Cronistoria" section. Nogometni leksikon claims that Šparta was the champion of Baranja every year spanning from 1929 to 1941. As for the 90s, I managed to gather a lot of information on Republika Srpska Krajina championship. I turned this information into two articles: Prvenstvo Republike Srpske Krajine u nogometu and Prvenstvo Republike Srpske Krajine u nogometu 1992./93. Šparta didn't compete in the 1991/92 season. In 1992/93 it finished 2nd and 1st in 1993/94. The 1994/95 season never ended due to Republika Srpska Krajina ceasing to exist. Later on Šparta probably played in a league consisting of UNTAES clubs. I don't know when I'll create NK Šparta Beli Manastir. – Croxyz ^💬 22:15, 11. prosinca 2024. (CET)

@Croxyz I asked a friend to create the page of Šparta Beli Manastir on it.wiki, I did just the "cronistoria" (this is our "modus operandi"), looking for club seasons on "Što vodi ovamo". I found nothing after 2020, does Šparta BM still exist?

Yesterday I watched a video covering the club's 100th year anniversary (last month) which stated that the club still exists, although it doesn't compete in any league at the moment. The clubs still had youth teams in the 2020/21 season. – Croxyz ^💬 12:18, 12. prosinca 2024. (CET)

Druga savezna liga Jugoslavije u nogometu 1972./73.

I’m on my phone right now. I found on the internet that NK Zagreb and Osijek played on the 19th of July, not 15th. Apparently this was the most watched game at Stadion Maksimir which is worth a mention. – Croxyz ^💬 21:08, 27. studenoga 2024. (CET)

Where did you find the date for the first match (10. srpnja)? – Croxyz ^💬 20:38, 28. studenoga 2024. (CET)

@Croxyz in the website they said: "Ta utakmica u Osijeku bila je odgođena za dva dana jer se kompletna momčad Osijeka otrovala hranom". I found the normal dates on NK Maribor site Ame71 (razgovor). 17:27, 29. studenoga 2024. (CET)

FK Prva iskra Barič

During the day I'll probably reply to every question you asked me these last few days. I just wanted to point out that Prva iskra is from Barič, not Barić. – Croxyz ^💬 01:54, 21. prosinca 2024. (CET)

Is there a source that claims that Radnički Kikinda is OFK Kikinda 1909? – Croxyz ^💬 18:00, 26. prosinca 2024. (CET)

@Croxyz I'm afraid it's an error born when I created the pages in it.wiki, I didn't realize there were two Kikinda clubs in the same season in different levels (in the '50s league system was very complicated in YU). I think the best way is to replace FK Radnički Kikinda, I'm going to do it. Ame71 (razgovor). 21:35, 26. prosinca 2024. (CET)

@Ame71 did you manage to find a source that calls Radnički Kikinda FK Radnički Kikinda? How do we know if it's FK nad not for example OFK or RFK'? – Croxyz ^💬 23:16, 26. prosinca 2024. (CET)

By the way, should we remove the Croatian amateur league from Kvalifikacije_za_popunu_Druge_savezne_lige_1973.#Hrvatska? – Croxyz ^💬 23:37, 26. prosinca 2024. (CET)

@Croxyz I found nothing about FK/OFK/RFK Radnički Kikinda, maybe one day someone will write a book about it, so we'll create the redirect. I think it's good to remove the amateur finals from Croatia, BiH and Serbia because the scores are already in the republican page. Ame71 (razgovor). 23:48, 26. prosinca 2024. (CET)

@Ame71, ok. Could you remove those finales from the qualifiers? I'll remove the Radnički Kikinda links in the meantime as we do not know what prefix it had. – Croxyz ^💬 23:50, 26. prosinca 2024. (CET)

KF KEK

From where did you source the previous club names for KF KEK? In this article we previously had REHMK instead of REMHK. – Croxyz ^💬 13:11, 1. siječnja 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz that was a problem for me, I never found the meaning. I think that time i looked for both the names and i found more times "REHMK", so I chose that one. But after your question I looked again and I found this picture and it says "REMHK". Have I to change every link? Ame71 (razgovor). 21:42, 1. siječnja 2025. (CET)

At the moment, I don't know how to approach this problem. I found this. A user asked what does RMHK mean ("Šta je značilo „RMHK“?"). According to the replies it means Rudarsko-metalurško-hemijski kombinat (translated into English as miners-metallic-chemical combine, which is a bizzare name in my opinion). Further down in the replies we have the person behind Istorija ex yu fudbala asking why there is sometimes an E in the name (REMHK). According to replies the E stands for energetski. So the full name should be something like Rudarsko-energetsko-metalurško-hemijski kombinat Kosovo Obilić. This is by far the most ridiculous name I've ever heard. I'm not sure if the club changed it's name several times within a short period. – Croxyz ^💬 21:58, 1. siječnja 2025. (CET)

Looks like Rudarsko-energetsko-metalurško-hemijski kombinat Kosovo is a real name. What's more we have confirmation that this abomination of a name existed in the mid 1970-s.

»Prirodni resursi, poput lignita, su omogućili da energetika postane vodeća u celokupnom razvoju. Tako je ona, već sredinom sedamdesetih godina, učestvovala u strukturi industrijske proizvodnje sa 33% i omogućila da Rudarsko-energetsko-metalurško-hemijski kombinat „Kosovo“ (REMHK „Kosovo“) postane jedno od najvećih preduzeća jugoslovenskog značaja. I REMHK „Trepča“ je 1978. godine dala 65% jugoslovenskog proizvoda rafiniranog olova, 27% proizvodnje elektrolitnog cinka, 57% proizvodnje rafiniranog srebra i veće količine legure obojenih metala – bizmuta, zlata, kadmijuma, itd.«

(ARHITEKTURA JAVNIH OBJEKATA PRIŠTINE U RAZDOBLJU OD 1945. DO 1990. GODINE: DRUŠTVENI I OBLIKOVNI FAKTORI, str. 81.)

– Croxyz ^💬 22:07, 1. siječnja 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz Ok, tomorrow I'll do it. Ame71 (razgovor). 22:09, 1. siječnja 2025. (CET)

I found this. I think it might be the best if we use whatever the sources says for every season. E.g. in seasons where the source calls it REHMK we call it REHMK. – Croxyz ^💬 22:16, 1. siječnja 2025. (CET)

Oh and I forgot about Progres-Eksport. It might be the best to call it whatever the source calls it, similar to my proposal for dealing with REHMK. – Croxyz ^💬 22:20, 1. siječnja 2025. (CET)

The reason why I asked you for a source for the history section for KF KEK is because I can't find the history section on the archived versions of the club website (the source called "povijest kluba"). – Croxyz ^💬 22:22, 1. siječnja 2025. (CET)

I forgot to say that I remembered to fix this naming inconsistency. I decided to stick to the names mentioned by the source for each given season. I also forgot to mention that three days ago I did my first hunt for sources in over a month. (I'm pinging @Cybermb here as he might be interested in adding them to his collection) I mainly focused on Slovenia for which I managed to double the amount of sources. Currently there's 24 of them. Interestingly, a lot of them cover clubs from the small Prekmurje region. I believe it could be possible to increase the number of sources by searching the names of various Slovenian club competitions in every single grammatical case. I used this method previously to discover sources for Bosnia and Herzegovinian, Croatian and Serbian seasons with varying success. Two new older books about FK Željezničar Sarajevo were added. I found an Albanian language source (Kosovo's football federation) which lists various information, including winners of Kosovo championship before the breakup of Yugoslavia, albeit with club names mostly written in Albanian. Using Wayback Machine, I've managed to uncover a link on OFK Beograd's website where all of the books are actually downloadable. I haven't tried downloading them, so I don't know what you may find them. Judging by the titles, these books cover OFK Beograd, Belgrade football and pre-World War II Serbian football history. – Croxyz ^💬 23:00, 4. siječnja 2025. (CET)

Pre-WW2 Championships

Do you plan on creating articles for pre-WW2 Yugoslav championships or expanding them on Italian Wikipedia? From time to time, I keep finding mentions of župa winners and/or participants. Some of this information doesn't exist online anymore, so I think it'd be worth mentioning. For example, today I've found this history page for NK Libertas Novska. It gives the following info:

VI. (moslavačka) župa 1931. (I don't know if this was played across 1 calendar year or across 1 season)

• Center: Nova Gradiška
• Number of clubs: 5 (+ Libertas Novska)

VI. (moslavačka) župa 1932.

• Winner: Libertas Novska

I gathered pre-WW2 information in NK Valpovka Valpovo#Pregled plasmana po sezonama. Sometimes, we have vague information, such as NK Šparta Beli Manastir being the winner of every Baranja championship (I don't know what župa that is) from 1930 to 1941. For modern-day Karlovačka županija there's this book. For Vojvodina I remember coming across various tables here There's probably more on Suradnik:Croxyz/Izvori. Note that I haven't made a full list of digitised newspapers, but rather only the ones that I've found to contain tables. Nogometni leksikon is also a good source for this period (e.g. search result for V. župa) – Croxyz ^💬 16:41, 9. siječnja 2025. (CET)

There's definitely more information to be found. For example: here it is stated that RSK Sloboda Tuzla won Tuzlanska grupa 1938. (Tuzla Group 1938) for the first time in the club's history and then proceeded to play against RSK Željezara Zenica in Bosnia and Herzegovina championship play-offs. Sloboda Tuzla lost 0:1 at home, while the second leg ended with a draw making Željezara Zenica the champion of Bosnia and Herzegovina. – Croxyz ^💬 16:55, 9. siječnja 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz at the moment I don't know when I'll do the pages before WW2. The Državno prvenstvo is easy, but the subfederation ones are hard. I'd need this book, maybe I'll buy it next sommer (when I'll be in Rijeka for holiday).Ame71 (razgovor). 01:59, 10. siječnja 2025. (CET)

I just found something interesting while looking for mentions of the book online. The foundation date of Jugoslavenski nogometni savez on Croatian/English/Italian Wikipedias is April 15th. However, on page 41 of this paper it is stated that the usual given date is April 14th, however the author of Fudbalska takmičenja... claims it's April 13th. – Croxyz ^💬 02:08, 10. siječnja 2025. (CET)

Jugoslavenski nogometni savez#Zanimljivo has an explanation. – Croxyz ^💬 02:10, 10. siječnja 2025. (CET)

I tried searching for the missing Serbia table in Nogometno prvenstvo Jugoslavije – 3. ligaški rang 1980./81. I didn't manage to find it. I also looked through newspapers. Did a third division exist in 1946./47. and 1952.? If not, it might be the best to remove them from Predložak:Sezone 3. stupnja nogometnog prvenstva FNRJ/SFRJ – Croxyz ^💬 23:50, 11. siječnja 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz in 1946./47. I don't know if there was a 3rd rank, I have not enough infos. In 1952. it existed: the 2nd one were "podsavezne lige", but I have no idea what there was in the lower rank. Ame71 (razgovor). 08:33, 12. siječnja 2025. (CET)

Prva srpska nogometna liga

Nogometno_prvenstvo_Jugoslavije_–_3._ligaški_rang_1980./81.#Srbija: ????

Nogometno_prvenstvo_Jugoslavije_–_3._ligaški_rang_1981./82.#Srbija:

1. Radnički (P)
2. Kolubara
3. Mačva
4. Železničar
5. Novi Pazar
6. Sloga
7. Sinđelić
8. Majdanpek
9. Rudar
10. Radnički (O)
11. Loznica
12. FAP
13. Čukarički
14. Šumadija Aranđelovac
15. Đerđap Kladovo
16. Jedinstvo Ub

Last 3 clubs are relegated. Source: Ibarske novosti, godina XXXV, broj 1504, 17. jun 1982., str. 12.] (the upper table). Goal-difference: 538:543.

Nogometno_prvenstvo_Jugoslavije_–_3._ligaški_rang_1982./83.#Srbija: For some reason they didn't report any tables for Prva srpska liga (they only printed match reports), but they did for lower leagues.

18. Galenika Zemun 34 4 12 18 31:56 20 Source: Branko Najhold, POLA VEKA FUDBALSKOG KLUBA ZEMUN 1945 - 1995, Zemun 1995., str. 336.

Nogometno_prvenstvo_Jugoslavije_–_3._ligaški_rang_1983./84.#Srbija:

1. Novi Pazar
2. Obilić
3. Radnički (K)
4. Majdanpek
5. 7. juli
6. Đerdap
7. Sinđelić
8. Rudar
9. Kristal
10. Radnički (O)
11. Dubočica
12. Budućnost
13. Čukarički
14. Sloga
15. Loznica
16. Jagodina

Source: Ibarske novosti, godina XXXVII, broj 1608, 14. jun 1984., str. 12.] Note: outcome of one match is missing (the upper table is for Prva srpska liga, while the bottom one is for Ibarska liga). Goal-difference is incorrect.

If you need any help with finding the exact club, I'll try and look for them – Croxyz ^💬 13:20, 16. siječnja 2025. (CET)

Also, didn't you skip some leagues from the Ligaški vremeplov scans for 1959/60 and/or 1960/61? I found a book about a Serbian club which may help with identifying the clubs. – Croxyz ^💬 13:41, 16. siječnja 2025. (CET)

There's a table with incorrect goal-difference (725:727) on p. 147 for Nogometno_prvenstvo_Jugoslavije_–_3._ligaški_rang_1966./67.#Sjever – Croxyz ^💬 14:43, 16. siječnja 2025. (CET)

it:Prvi razred 1928-1929 Subotički nogometni podsavez was split into Città and Provincia. Provincia is missing (probably skipped by accident). Exyufudbal has the table: . The result of the final should be added to it:Subotički nogometni podsavez – Croxyz ^💬 20:51, 16. siječnja 2025. (CET)

Table for it:Prvi_razred_1935-1936#Gruppo_Subotica: https://www.zkvh.org.rs/storage/app/media/digital/periodika/sportski_list/su_slist47.pdf (the upper one, the bottom one is for Girone finale) – Croxyz ^💬 21:23, 16. siječnja 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz in Ligaški vremeplov I found some tables from 1959./60. season, but the most part from Serbia (like Posavsko-podunavska zona) and Croatia were missing.

The Galenika Zemun score is from ‎Prva savezna liga 1982./83., what does matter with 3. rank?

in Prva Srpska liga 1983./84. : where are "7. juli" and "Kristal" from? Ame71 (razgovor). 21:25, 16. siječnja 2025. (CET)

I'll research that later. Currently I was looking for the 1936/37 table for Subotica group, but sadly we do not have the final table. – Croxyz ^💬 21:34, 16. siječnja 2025. (CET)

I finally completed fixing and expanding FK Bačka 1901 Subotica. I even added a table from all seasons from 1907 onwards.

For 1959/60 (Ligaški vremeplov) we're missing Podsavezna nogometna liga Beograd 1959./60., Podsavezna nogometna liga Šabac 1959./60., Podsavezna nogometna liga Valjevo 1959./60., Podsavezna nogometna liga Niš 1959./60., Podsavezna nogometna liga Leskovac 1959./60., Podsavezna nogometna liga Zaječar 1959./60., Podsavezna nogometna liga Vranje 1959./60., Podsavezna nogometna liga Pirot 1959./60., Podsavezna nogometna liga Dubrovnik 1959./60. (see #Kvalifikacije za Vojvođansku nogometnu ligu 1960./61.).

As for Galenika Zemun in 1982./83., I misread Prva savezna liga as Prva srpska liga.

According to it:Republičke_lige_1984-1985#Serbia 7. juli is 7. juli Vrčin and Kristal is Kristal Zaječar. – Croxyz ^💬 01:52, 17. siječnja 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz Nogometno_prvenstvo_Jugoslavije_–_3._ligaški_rang_1982./83.#Srbija: For some reason they didn't report any tables for Prva srpska liga (they only printed match reports), but they did for lower leagues. Is available the table after 29th match-day? so it would be enough to add the results of the last day to obtain the final table. Ame71 (razgovor). 09:24, 18. siječnja 2025. (CET)

I've checked several issues of that newspaper. None of them contained any tables sadly. What is your opinion on the MOŠK Gjerzelez Sarajevo article? The article is really short and it doesn't even have a foundation year. I don't even know what to name that article. – Croxyz ^💬 14:44, 18. siječnja 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz shame about the Srpska liga... I created the page of Gjerzelez on it.wiki some years ago. Can it help you? Ame71 (razgovor). 15:21, 18. siječnja 2025. (CET)

Speaking of it.wiki, I totally forgot to point out errors in it:Nogometni Klub SAŠK Napredak. Yesterday I wrote around 90% of the corresponding Croatian article. Due to incomplete and often incorrect sources, I spent almost the entire day trying to get a coherent picture.

• The Rifondazione parametre in Squadra di calcio should be 1995., or more accurately March 4th 1995. 1999, or more precisely April 15th 1999, was the date when SAŠK and another club called Napredak merged to form the modern-day club NK SAŠK Napredak.
• F. Plaček, Đ. Novotni e N. Sulejmanović -> Frico Plaček, Đuro Novotni i Nedžad Sulejmanović
• "ed ha come rivali lo" -> I didn't find any mentions of rivalries besides the one between SAŠK and the Serbian club (Slavija). This might've been a translation error of somekind (e.g. Asopposed to in As opposed to the Croatian club there was a Serbian, Jewish... getting translated to The formation of SAŠK was rivaled by the formation of Serbian, Jewish...)
• Slavija (serbi), Đerzelez/Sarajevski (musulmani), Makabi/Barkohba (ebrei) ed il multietnico club dei lavoratori RŠD Hajduk. -> It should be noted that the name Slavija was used since 1921 (the club had a different name prior). I haven't researched the Đerzelez/Sarajevski ŠK name change, as well as the Makabi/Barkohba one (There was also another Jewish club called Hakoah which should be researched).
• Come lo Slavija, il club viene rifondato dopo l'indipendenza bosniaca nel 1999. -> Neither Slavija, nor SAŠK were refounded in 1999. As I said previously, SAŠK was refounded on March 4th 1995.
• L'anno successivo, lo SAŠK si fonde con i concittadini del NK Napredak -> L'anno successivo should be changed to April 15th 1999.

– Croxyz ^💬 18:29, 18. siječnja 2025. (CET)

As for it:Nogometni klub Đerzelez:

• Viene fondato come Muslimanski omladinski športski klub Đerzelez nel 1912 a Sarajevo -> I don't think that name is right for 1912. Do we have a source for the year?
• nella capitale allo scoppio della prima guerra mondiale vi erano Slavija (serbi), SAŠK (croati), ŽŠK Makabi (detto anche Barkohba, ebrei) e RŠD Hajduk -> I don't know much about the subject, but I definitely know that the Slavija name did not exist in 1914 when World War 1 started. The foundation of SAŠK was a very complicating subject for me yesterday. From what I gathered it was founded in 1910, 1913 or possibly even in 1912. Luckily I managed to solve the puzzle by connecting all of the pieces. In 1913 Croats founded SAŠK. Some sources suggested that SAŠK could've split off from Osman, but I can't tell for certain as some sources suggest that the Serbian club (later known as Slavija) also split off from Slavija, while others claim that Osman changed its name to the Serbian club (They can't even agree on the name! Whatever the name may be, it's some variation of Srpski sportski klub, with the second word which stands for sport being the issue) or that Osman ceased to exist and that a new club called the Serbian sports club was founded (I don't know if it is connected to Osman in any way). Meanwhile, in 1910, when Osman 100% still existed but not under the Osman name which was coined in Split by the promoters a year or two later, the Sarajevo Croats founded Hrvatski ŠK. In 1914 all sports organisations disbanded due to World War 1. During the spring of 1918, the authorities allowed Hrvatski ŠK to be refounded again. In 1921 the club was forced to change its name due to it having a "nationalist" name (see the names of Sarajevo clubs in it:Prvi_razred_1920#Sarajevo and it:Prvi_razred_1920-1921#Sarajevo). The club changed its name to SAŠK. The information regarding Hrvatski ŠK is luckily preserved by a paper on the 60th birthday of the club president from 1913 onwards, although it claims that the club was founded in 1912. I didn't research Makabi/Barkohba nor Hajduk Sarajevo, so I can't confirm or deny those names.
• l Đerzelez appare nella 1. Razred della Sarajevski podsavez (prima classe della sotto-federazione di Sarajevo), finendo 4º su 7 squadre. -> No mention of the season in which the 4th place was achieved.

I don't know anything about Đerzelez's history from 1940 onwards. – Croxyz ^💬 19:01, 18. siječnja 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz I created the page translating from the other languages. Sarajevo podsavezna seasons drove me crazy... Ame71 (razgovor). 22:52, 18. siječnja 2025. (CET)

In Croatian we have a phrase that goes: Where logic ends, Bosnia begins – Croxyz ^💬 23:53, 18. siječnja 2025. (CET)

Just a warning: I remember that we have multiple tables for Bosnia's seasons from the 80s. For those seasons I put the template. – Croxyz ^💬 18:35, 19. siječnja 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz at least could you tell me the 16 members of Srpska liga 1982-83 (so I join them in the 3. rank page) ? "7.juli Vrčin" and "FK Vrčin" are the same club? Ame71 (razgovor). 19:14, 19. siječnja 2025. (CET)

I'll try and figure it out. – Croxyz ^💬 19:22, 19. siječnja 2025. (CET)

Just a small correction: it's 7. juli Vrčin, not 7.juli Vrčin. – Croxyz ^💬 19:23, 19. siječnja 2025. (CET)

Page 12 of Ibarske novosti, godina XXVI, broj 1552, 19. maj 1983. contains a table after the 25th leg (5 legs before the end of the season).

1. Kolubara

2. Sloga

3. Kristal

4. Budučnost

5. Sinđelić

6. Novi Pazar

7. Jagodina

8. Majdanpek

9. Rudar

10. Železničar

11. Loznica

12. Čukarički

13. FAP

14. Mačva

15. Radnički

16. 7. juli – Croxyz ^💬 19:31, 19. siječnja 2025. (CET)

According to the club's instagram page, they played twice in Srpska liga, which is odd as 7. juli Vrčin played in the 1985/86 season, as well as the previous ones – Croxyz ^💬 19:49, 19. siječnja 2025. (CET)

For the 1985/86 season I can't tell the goal-difference with 100% certainty, but it's either correct or almost correct: Ibarske novosti, godina XXXIX, broj 1712, 5. jun 1986., str. 12.

1. Majdanpek

2. Rudar

3. Čukarički

4. Rad. Zorka

5. Kolubara

6. Šumadija

7. Jedinstvo

8. Mačva

9. Dubočica

10. Budućnost

11. PKV Jumko

12. Obilić

13. Sinđelić

14. Radnič. (O)

15. Kristal

16. Đerdap

17. 7. jul (Why does it say 7. jul and not 7. juli???)

18. Sloga – Croxyz ^💬 20:13, 19. siječnja 2025. (CET)

As for 1984/85, the newspaper has 564:564 while it:Republičke_lige_1984-1985 has 564:563. The newspaper claims that Radnički Kragujevac has 17 wins, 12 draws and 1 loss with 45 points which is not possible. – Croxyz ^💬 20:33, 19. siječnja 2025. (CET)

I have great news! I found a full name club list from a 1936 Yugoslavia Football Federation annual report. This list will certainly come in handy when adding links to articles. The list is currently situated at Suradnik:Croxyz/Tiskara. At the moment the list is full of red links. In the near future I’ll try to turn these red links into redirects, however I have a slight problem: I think the report has errors when it comes to S and Š. I am also not 100% sure which words to abbreviate, so I’ll first ask Cybermb on his opinion. This list can come in handy for expanding the podsavez articles on Italian Wiki. – Croxyz ^💬 01:23, 20. siječnja 2025. (CET)

Did you by chance, ever come across these Splitski podsavez results? – Croxyz ^💬 01:37, 20. siječnja 2025. (CET)

Or these? – Croxyz ^💬 14:15, 20. siječnja 2025. (CET)

or this – Croxyz ^💬 14:28, 20. siječnja 2025. (CET)

I want to join the table of Srpska liga 1988./89. from ibarski novosti in 4. ligaški rang 1988./89., but I can not understand a thing: they call as just "Srpska liga", but I think it would be "Prva srpska liga - Jug", while Radnički Beograd won the "Prva srpska liga - Sjever". What's the real name of the league ? Ame71 (razgovor). 07:37, 1. veljače 2025. (CET)

Without reading the Ibarske' novosti article I'd assume that there is no Srpska liga – Jug, as there are 2 clubs called Šumadija, a region south of Belgrade. Čukarički (a Belgrade club) is also visible in the table.

The table (I didn't check the goal difference):

1. Sloga – from the article: Kraljevo

2. Radnički (NB) – FK Radnički Novi Beograd, from the article: Beograd, Novi Beograd

3. Sinđelić

4. Majdanpek

5. Prvi partizan

6. BSK

7. Železničar (N)

8. Šumadija (A) – from the article: Aranđelovac

9. Šumadija (K)

10. Zmaj

11. Radnički Zorka

12. Železničar (L)

13. Topličanin

14. Mladost GOŠA

15. Čukarički

16. Radan

17. EI Mladost – from the article: Niš

18. Timok – from the article: Zaječar – Croxyz ^💬 18:50, 1. veljače 2025. (CET)

In conclusion, the top 2 clubs (or more) gained promotion from Srpska liga. – Croxyz ^💬 18:51, 1. veljače 2025. (CET)

Nogometno prvenstvo Jugoslavije – 3. ligaški rang 1989./90.

• Primorske novine (Budva newspaper) had no tables
• For Zmaj Makarska we have no seasons after the 50s

* For Bar we had this incorrect table. Its points match the ones on FSG Zrenjanin's site, however I can tell it's incorrect from the goal-difference.

While writing this I did not realise you already used that table. – Croxyz ^💬 23:54, 1. veljače 2025. (CET)

Couldn't find anything sadly. – Croxyz ^💬 00:12, 2. veljače 2025. (CET)

Kosovo competitions in the 90s

Is there any reason why you're skipping the Kosovo tables? Are the tables incorrect? I'd like to warn you that tables from FK Bačka 1901 Subotica's are oftentimes incorrect. I learnt this while creating FK_Bačka_1901_Subotica#Pregled_plasmana_po_sezonama. Also I still have no clue when I'll try and fix all those contradictory tables for Druga savezna liga. – Croxyz ^💬 02:20, 10. veljače 2025. (CET)

Also why is Nogometno_prvenstvo_SR_Jugoslavije_–_3._ligaški_rang_1994./95.#Srpska_liga_−_Sjever incomplete? – Croxyz ^💬 02:25, 10. veljače 2025. (CET)

Some useful sources that contain tables for the 3rd divison: . I didn't not check the accuracy of any tables. I saw that there were tables for Nogometno_prvenstvo_SR_Jugoslavije_–_3._ligaški_rang_1994./95.#Srpska_liga_−Istok. As for newspapers, doing a quick glance I can see that Somborske novine, Primorske novine and Borba cover the period. Keep in mind I made Suradnik:Croxyz/Izvori for pre-90s seasons. There are probably newspapers for the 90s and onwards. I just did not record them. – Croxyz ^💬 02:38, 10. veljače 2025. (CET)

I just discovered another historical newspaper. I'll add it tomorrow. It covers the Banja Luka area and I found tables in it: . – Croxyz ^💬 02:44, 10. veljače 2025. (CET)

Random issue I found: (Regionalna nogometna liga BiH – Zapad 1984./85., @Cybermb might be interested in this, I didn't check the goal-difference). – Croxyz ^💬 02:52, 10. veljače 2025. (CET)

@Ame71 i @Croxyz - evo napravio sam Regionalna nogometna liga BiH – Zapad 1984./85. - uz konzultaciju ove ljestvice iz Glasa i monografije Bereka iz Prijedora - naravno - ona je ukupno netočna (u oba izvora)

Imam još ljestvica ove lige iz 1980.-ih, ali ih nekako nisam stavljao (manjak "hrvatskih" klubova, budem s vremenom) (naravno, ne možemo očekivati da su 10% točne)

Pozdrav, Cybermb (razgovor) 15:50, 10. veljače 2025. (CET)

Why is BSK Batajnica's row incomplete in Nogometno prvenstvo SR Jugoslavije – 3. ligaški rang 1994./95.? Also, do you plan on adding the Kosovo tables? – Croxyz ^💬 21:52, 11. veljače 2025. (CET)

In Nogometno_prvenstvo_SR_Jugoslavije_–_3._ligaški_rang_1992./93.#Kosovo there's a club called "Trepça". Is this one of the two Trepča clubs or are a seperate entity? – Croxyz ^💬 21:53, 11. veljače 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz - in the source there are only 17 clubs of 18: the missing one is BSK. I'm not sure Kosovo league has to be put in SRJ system, so I just say there were an indipendent championship and who were the winner (and in the source there aren't the scores of semifinals and finals for 1994-95 and 1995-96). in Nogometno_prvenstvo_SR_Jugoslavije_–_3._ligaški_rang_1995./96.#Srpska_liga_−_Morava there are 3 clubs (Slavija, Jedinstvo and Rudar) I can't understand where are they from. Do you know? Ame71 (razgovor). 22:07, 11. veljače 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz - in the beginning 90's Albanian players of FK Trepča went away to create KF Trepça (they still exist now). And I see there are also 2 club "Pristina": one in SRJ system and one in the Kosovo league (Jugoslav FK Pristina disappeard after 1999).Ame71 (razgovor). 22:13, 11. veljače 2025. (CET)

@Ame71, I'm working on uncovering Rudar and Jedinstvo right now. I found Slavija. From what I managed to gather on the internet (Borba, RSSSF and some other place I can't remember), there was a club called Zastava Sušica. I assume this club is a merger between Zastava and Sušica after the Nogometno_prvenstvo_SR_Jugoslavije_–_3._ligaški_rang_1995./96.#Srpska_liga_−_Morava season. I am asking if that Trepça is the same club as KF Trepça'89 Kosovska Mitrovica. – Croxyz ^💬 22:29, 11. veljače 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz, KF Trepça and KF Trepça'89 still exist now. Trepça'89 comes from "Rudar Stari Trg". I think FK Rudar Kosovska Mitrovica and Rudar Stari Trg/Trepça'89 are the same club (Stari Trg is very close to K. Mitrovica), but I have no source. Ame71 (razgovor). 22:34, 11. veljače 2025. (CET)

Rudar is bugging me. According to this the club is from Valjevo. – Croxyz ^💬 22:43, 11. veljače 2025. (CET)

Should we add that Zastava and Sušica fused? We don't have any sources. Also, should we wait until you create tables for several more Srpska liga − Morava seasons? Maybe Rudar changed it's name in the upcoming seasons, thus making it easier for us to identify it. – Croxyz ^💬 23:24, 11. veljače 2025. (CET)

I figured out something that will massively help us (this can be useful for @Cybermb) if you add site:*.rs at the end of your Google search, you'll only get results from sites with the .rs (Serbian) domain. – Croxyz ^💬 23:43, 11. veljače 2025. (CET)

During these days I'll have to go through this article: which I managed to find with site:*.rs. It lists every digital newspaper as of 2021. – Croxyz ^💬 23:47, 11. veljače 2025. (CET)

I asked why is BSK Batajnica's row incomplete in Nogometno prvenstvo SR Jugoslavije – 3. ligaški rang 1994./95. because it's filled in another source. Is something wrong about the table? – Croxyz ^💬 17:34, 12. veljače 2025. (CET)

I uncovered Rudar. Misread Baljevac as Valjevo. What should we do for Zastava Sušica? – Croxyz ^💬 18:03, 12. veljače 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz I managed for BSK Batajnica. I have no idea what to do for Zastava Sušica, it's better if you manage that as you are mothertongue. Ame71 (razgovor). 01:02, 13. veljače 2025. (CET)

Finally found a source that confirms the merger: – Croxyz ^💬 02:59, 13. veljače 2025. (CET)

Did you try looking for the Srpska liga − Vojvodina table in the Sombor paper and the Srpska liga − Morava table on kraljevcani.rs? – Croxyz ^💬 19:55, 15. veljače 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz yes, I used kraljevcani.rs for SL Morava (but it's good just when there's Sloga Kraljevo). For SL Vojvodina I used the monografija of FK Bačka Subotica.

In Druga liga SR Jugoslavije u nogometu 1998./99. there was a FK Niška Banja called "Viner Broker" from the sponsor, and in Srpska liga − Niš 1999./00. there was a FK Koca Niška Banja, bottom of the table. Do you think they are the same club? I couldn't find so much in the web (only that FK Niška Banja was founded few years ago).Ame71 (razgovor). 20:53, 15. veljače 2025. (CET)

As I said previously, the Bačka Subotica book is full of mistakes. That's why I'd prioritise the newspaper. – Croxyz ^💬 21:06, 15. veljače 2025. (CET)

In Enciklopedija Niša Sport there's no mention of a football club called Viner Broker nor Niška Banja. They only mention basketball and tennis clubs. There's no article titled Koca. What sources do you have regarding the club? – Croxyz ^💬 21:23, 15. veljače 2025. (CET)

There's no Sombor paper covering 1998. Srpska liga – Morava: page 19, top left table. – Croxyz ^💬 21:47, 15. veljače 2025. (CET)

There's no Knjaževačke novine edition for November 1998. – Croxyz ^💬 21:50, 15. veljače 2025. (CET)

Srpska liga – Dunav from a newly found digitised paper that I'll add to my list

Source: Sport u Podrinju, god. V., br. 177, 18. novembar 1998., str. 3.

1. Rudar

2. Mačva Š

3. ZSK

4. Rađevac

5. Železničar

6. Mačva B

7. Gučevo

8. Ribnica

9. Selevac

10. VSGN

11. Sloga LŠ

12. Borac

13. R. Zorka

14. Morava

15. Jedinstvo

16. MIP

17. Ml. Radnik

18. Ml. Goša – Croxyz ^💬 22:31, 15. veljače 2025. (CET)

I also found a newspaper that covers the sr:Polimlje region. It did not report the last table for Srpska liga − Morava (last leg was 14th). I've added the papers under Suradnik:Croxyz/Izvori#Dodati. Later I'll add them to the map. – Croxyz ^💬 22:42, 15. veljače 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz In 2. liga SRJ 1998./99. there was a "FK Winner broker" (in Serbian "Viner broker") from Niška Banja and they made the record of worst score of ever in YU Second division. So they relegated. In Srpska liga − Niš 1999./00. there is "Koca (Niska Banja)" with a score of "38 7 5 26 41-120 26" so I imagine they are the same club and "Winner broker" was the name of the sponsor. FK Koca has a page on srbijasport but it seems they are no more in activity since 2012. There is a FK Niška Banja, but this club was born in 2012, so i think it's the successor of Koca. Ame71 (razgovor). 09:00, 16. veljače 2025. (CET)

We shouldn’t jump to conclusions without any sources. The best practice would probably be to leave Koca Niška Banja as a seperate non-existing article. In case it’s the same club as Viner broker, in the future a simple redirect can be created (if any of the 2 clubs happen to get an article). Also, I think that that the variant “Winner broker” which is present on en.wiki might be fictitious. I believe that Viner refers to Wiener (as in from Vienna). – Croxyz ^💬 15:31, 16. veljače 2025. (CET)

You should add the linked tables to Nogometno prvenstvo SR Jugoslavije – 3. ligaški rang 1998./99. Also you can you use these 2 newspapers to fill in the missing tables of previous seasons. – Croxyz ^💬 00:28, 17. veljače 2025. (CET)

Today I am adding a lot of new sources to Suradnik:Croxyz/Izvori. Some of these cover the time period, e.g. Kopaonik Brus' book – Croxyz ^💬 01:11, 17. veljače 2025. (CET)

Do you plan on adding this table? If you need help with previous seasons, I'd gladly help. – Croxyz ^💬 17:11, 18. veljače 2025. (CET)

I’m on my phone right now. Is the table under Nogometno prvenstvo Jugoslavije – 4. ligaški rang 1990./91.#Serbia the table for the 1989./90. season or did you accidently write 1989./90.? I know that that source oftentimes has major mistakes so be careful with it (check the goal-difference and whatnot). – Croxyz ^💬 16:18, 20. veljače 2025. (CET)

We have several news sources for that period, so I might check later if I’ll remember. It may be wise to ping me so I don’t forget. – Croxyz ^💬 16:19, 20. veljače 2025. (CET)

I didn't fix that as I am busy with patrolling:

Here's Nogometno_prvenstvo_SR_Jugoslavije_–_3._ligaški_rang_2000./01.#Srpska liga − Dunav ( Sport u Podrinju, god VIII, br. 263, 13. jun 2001., str. 3.). Result of one match is missing.

1. Radnički Stobeks (see en:FK Radnički Klupci, I don't know if it should be Stobeks or Stobex. Cyrillic doesn't have a letter for X, so they write KS presumeably)

2. Mačva Š.

3. Radnički

4. Rađevac

5. M. Goša

6. Šapine (I assume, too blurry)

7. Železničar

8. Ribnica

9. Selevac

10. Karađorđe

11. Borac

12. Sloga

13. Rad. Zorka

14. Gučevo

15. Mačva B.

16. VGSK

17. Jabučje

18. Napredak – Croxyz ^💬 23:39, 20. veljače 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz just done, my wife (she's from Rijeka) helped me.Ame71 (razgovor). 14:59, 21. veljače 2025. (CET)

What about Nogometno prvenstvo Jugoslavije – 4. ligaški rang 1990./91.#Serbia? I'm experiencing issues with loading the book. Is that the table for the previous season or did you forgot to change the label? – Croxyz ^💬 15:34, 21. veljače 2025. (CET)

Congratulations on finishing the 3rd tier of Yugoslav football! What do you have next on your mind? If you're looking for a smaller number of articles there are always the skipped 1959./60. seasons (Podsavezna nogometna liga Beograd 1959./60., Podsavezna nogometna liga Šabac 1959./60., Podsavezna nogometna liga Valjevo 1959./60., Podsavezna nogometna liga Niš 1959./60., Podsavezna nogometna liga Leskovac 1959./60., Podsavezna nogometna liga Zaječar 1959./60., Podsavezna nogometna liga Vranje 1959./60., Podsavezna nogometna liga Pirot 1959./60., Podsavezna nogometna liga Dubrovnik 1959./60. from above), the Montenegro tables under #Missing Montenegro tables I've found, FK Omarska seasons, missing NK Maksimir seasons, NK Hajduk Brezje seasons, NK Polet Sveti Martin na Muri seasons, etc. – Croxyz ^💬 21:25, 27. veljače 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz I'm planning to create some club pages which are now red links in Treća liga Srbije i Crne Gore u nogometu. Then I'll make the pages of season 1959./60. Ame71 (razgovor). 03:01, 1. ožujka 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz I'm going to create the pages you said. Just done Beograd one. Could you fix the "Category" links, please? Ame71 (razgovor). 19:03, 10. ožujka 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz in Podsavezna nogometna liga Šabac 1959./60. there are 2 clubs "Radnički" without town... Ame71 (razgovor). 19:24, 10. ožujka 2025. (CET)

What kind of issue are you experiencing with categories? I managed to complete the table for Podsavezna nogometna liga Beograd 1959./60. It exists on sr.wiki (sr:FK Hajduk Beograd). BSK is from Batajnica, not Belgrade. I couldn't identify the other clubs. FK Novi Beograd was founded in the 80s while Jugoslavija ceased to exist in the 40s. Sadly, for Šabac I found no source. – Croxyz ^💬 20:25, 10. ožujka 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz I meant [[Kategorija:Nogometno prvenstvo Jugoslavije - 4. ligaški rang (Srbija)|1959-60 P]] : I dind't know if this was enough (fo example Slovenian leagues 1959./60. has 4 categories each one). Ame71 (razgovor). 20:31, 10. ožujka 2025. (CET)

Nor do I. I'll manage to retrieve at least some clubs for Niš. For Leskovac I can't do anything. – Croxyz ^💬 20:44, 10. ožujka 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz Unfortunately Podsavezna nogometna liga Valjevo 1959./60. is not available: the page between Valjevo and Niš is missing. Ame71 (razgovor). 21:00, 10. ožujka 2025. (CET)

At least that explains why Podsavezna nogometna liga Kruševac 1959./60. is missing (second/bottom table on page 233 of Milorad Sijić, Fudbal u Rasinskom okrugu (dopunjeno izdanje), Kruševac 2020.). As always, I'm experiencing issues with the Niš site so it'll take some for me to complete Podsavezna nogometna liga Niš 1959./60. Some clubs are dubious as they play on grounds of other clubs, presumably from Niš. – Croxyz ^💬 21:07, 10. ožujka 2025. (CET)

According to this the winner of Podsavezna liga Pirot is Lužnica Babušnica, while the winner of Podsavezna liga Negotin is Đerdap Kladovo. These 2 clubs played in a qualifiers play-off with Metalac Bor, the winner of Podsavezna nogometna liga Zaječar 1959./60. If needed, I can send you the table for the qualifiers. – Croxyz ^💬 21:41, 10. ožujka 2025. (CET)

Sadly nothing can be found for Podsavezna nogometna liga Vranje 1959./60. – Croxyz ^💬 22:03, 10. ožujka 2025. (CET)

Excellent news!

Since you're doing the 1920s seasons, I decided to help out with seeking information for that period. You may recall that we have NK Maksimir Zagreb tables before 1945 and 1951 (you skipped that one a long time ago). I went through every club page on NK Maksimir's site. I added all of the previous club names to existing Wikipedia pages (you can see the list here) and made a list of missing club articles (see Suradnik:Croxyz/Tiskara#Maksimir). However, I only recorded the clubs with information besides its name and place (e.g. foundation year). While making this list I stumbled upon a 100-year-old book (The year isn't printed, however I can probably find it in the book). It's in great condition. It features a description of every major Yugoslav club. Think of it as a collection of small club entries, a version of Nogometni leksikon from a 100 years ago. With this book we'll be able to make an article about every single major club from that period. From my understanding, many podsavez competitons consisted of a city league and a provincial cup. This book covers clubs from both competitions (usually we only have information from the major cities). Some ZNP clubs even record positions for the previous lower league seasons. I think that with this information we may reconstruct a lot of tables, at least partially. We have NK Maksimir tables, information in Wikipedia/Nogometni leksikon/club books, #Pre-WW2 Championships, this book I've managed to obtain etc. – Croxyz ^💬 23:26, 18. ožujka 2025. (CET)

Also, I don't know if I ever linked this (see 3rd picture).

Here's the ZNP club list I found within the book I recently found:

l. A razred: Građanski, HAŠK, Concordia, Šparta (probably called Šparta Elektra), Croatia, Željezničar

1. B razred: Tipografija, Derby, Makabi or should it be written as Maccabi?, Zmaj, Viktorija, Ilirija

2. A razred: Croatia, Podsused, Slaven, Sokol, Sava, Uskok, Poštanski

2. B razred: Ferraria, Unitas, Atena, Grafika, Amateur, Zagreb, Olimpija (I think I saw this club written in a different way while compiling the list from NK Maksimir's site)

3. A razred: Južne željeznice, Pekarski, Grič, Sloga, Borongaj

1. A razred club list corresponds to the one from Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1925./26. I assume the book was printed in one of these two years. If I found confirmation, you can add it to the Italian wiki article.

I assume @Cybermb probably knows this book. I'll have to take a deeper dive to see if there are club lists like these for other podsavez competitions. – Croxyz ^💬 23:40, 18. ožujka 2025. (CET)

The LJNP information is confusing. I can't find such information on Italian wiki.

Ljubljana group:

1st division: Ilirija, Primorje, Jadran, Hermes

2nd division: Slovan (referred to as the winner of the 2nd division in 1924./25.), LASK, Slavija, Sloboda

All of the clubs from both divisions are based in Ljubljana

Celje group:

Celje (1st division side which was relegated to the 2nd division during the autumn of 1925, is that supposed to be it:Prvenstvo LjNP 1924-1925? The 1st division Ljubljana clubs participated during this season, however this was not a league exclusive to Ljubljana clubs. Maybe the 1st division is a Slovenia division, while the 2nd division is for Ljubljana clubs?), Red Star (no, this is not a translation), Atletik, Šoštanj, Trbovlje.

Maribor group:

Maribor (1st divison club), Rapid (1st division club, by the way you're using Marburg and Maribor in it:Prvenstvo LjNP 1924-1925. It's the same city. This mistake is probably present elsewhere on Italian Wiki), Merkur, Svoboda, Ptuj, Mura. – Croxyz ^💬 23:57, 18. ožujka 2025. (CET)

Sadly, no such information for other podsavez competitions. – Croxyz ^💬 00:02, 19. ožujka 2025. (CET)

@Ame71, @Cybermb, apparently the book can be found online here. – Croxyz ^💬 00:12, 19. ožujka 2025. (CET)

We also have some Sarajevo 2nd division seasons from the 1920s. They are documented in sources regarding Željezničar. – Croxyz ^💬 19:23, 19. ožujka 2025. (CET)

Page 9 of that book is bugging me.

 » Prvaci pokrajine bili su Jug. šport klub »Slavija« iz Osijeka, prvi puta GŠK »Krajišnik« (Banja Luka), Varaždinski športski klub (Varaždin), GŠK »Marssonija« (Brod) te Čakovečki športski klub (Čakovec).«

The winners are listed as same as on Italian Wikipedia. However, Krajišnik is missing from the list. – Croxyz ^💬 20:01, 19. ožujka 2025. (CET)

I'm skipping cup matches.

HŠK Željezničar Zagreb (page 20)

Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1921./22. 1. razred: 1st place

Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1923. 1. B razred: 2nd place

Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1923./24. 1. B razred: 1st place

AŠK Croatia Zagreb (page 22)

Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1924./25. 1. B razred: 1st place

HŠK Tipografija Zagreb (page 23 and 24) is a bit of a mess. I'm skipping it.

Derby Zagreb (page 25)

At the end of this season (1923./24. or 1924./25.) 1. B razred: 3rd place

Makabi Zagreb (page 27)

Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1924./25. 1. B razred: 5th place

The club previously managed to go from 3. razred to 1. razred in 3 years (we'll need to identify the seasons in question)

Ilirija Zagreb (page 29)

Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1924./25. 2. A razred: 1st place

Uskok Zagreb (page 31)

Began in 3. razred in 1922. Got promoted quickly to 2. B razred in which it won every single game. Promoted to 3. A razred where it is now, at 3rd place.

Sava Zagreb (page 33)

Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1924./25. 2. razred: 5th place

Sokol Zagreb (page 34)

Founded in 1922, it won 3. B and 3. A razred.

Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1924./25. 2. B razred: 1st place

Amateur Zagreb (page 37)

Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1924./25. 2. B razred: 5th place

Ferraria Zagreb (page 38)

Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1923./24. 3. B razred: 1st place

Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1924./25. 3. A razred: 1st place

Atena Zagreb (page 39)

In 1921 3. razred was formed.

Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1921./22. 3. razred: 1st place

Unitas Zagreb (page 40)

Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1924./25. 3. A razred: 3rd place

Južne željezniče Zagreb (page 42)

Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1924./25. 3. B razred: 3rd place

Pekarski Zagreb (page 45)

Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1923./24. 3. B razred: 5th place

Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1924./25. 3. B razred: 5th place (again)

ČSK Čakovec (page 46)

Winner of V. župa ZNP 1922., 1924. & 1925.

Ivanić Ivanić-Grad (page 65)

Won it's župa for many years. In 1924 it was winner of three župas???

Graničar Ivanić-Grad (page 66)

Winner of 9. župa 1925.

Borba Bosanska Dubica (page 71)

Winner of 9. župa in 1923 and 1924

Jugoslavenski željezničarski klub Sisak (page 74)

Winner of 7. župa since 1920

Sloboda Bosanski Novi (page 74)

Winner of 8. župa in 1919. It won it's (number not specified) župa in 1925 as well

That's all for ZNP. – Croxyz ^💬 21:17, 19. ožujka 2025. (CET)

Beogradski loptački podsavez

BSK Olimpija Beograd (page 80)

In the spring season 1923 (not during the spring of that season) the club won every league game, scoring 34 goals and conceding none. Then it won 2. razred. In 1924./25. season the club was a good candidate for promotion to 1. razred (this means that it didn't gain promotion in 1923 despite winning the league or that another league existed between these two leagues)

BSK Šumadija Beograd (page 81)

The club was founded on June 19th 1922. Immediately after its foundation it entered 2. razred (I don't know if this means that it started competing in the 2. razred or if it gained promotion, keep in mind that promotion doesn't necessary mean winning the league). In 1923 the club entered 1. B razred. The club won every game in 1. B razred during the 1924./25. season. It's located on the top of the table with 16 points and a goal-difference of 31:5. The club is scheduled to move into 1. A razred during the autumn of 1925 (This means that the book was published before the start of the 1925./26. season.)

SK Karađorđe Beograd (page 83)

The club was founded on the date of king Peter I of Yugoslavia's funeral. During its first 4 incomplete years of existed it managed to reach 1. B razred.

BUSK Beograd (page 84)

I just wanted to highlight that club has an interesting history.

SK Dušanovac (page 85)

Managed to get relegated to 2. razred.

ZSK Vitez Zemun (page 86)

Won 1. beogradska župa in 1922 and 1924.

ZSK Sparta Zemun (page 88)

3rd place in prvenstvo grada Zemuna (Zemun City Championship) 1922./23., 2nd place in 1923./24. and 1st place in 1924./25. edition of the same city championship.

SK Mačva Šabac (page 89)

The text is vague. Founded in 1919, it managed to win its župa championship (unspecificed when this occured). It's the champion of župa to this very day (unsure if it means that it won every single championship since or if it won the last edition at the time of publication).

SK Juda Makabi Novi Sad (page 91)

Founded in September 1920, it became the Novi Sad Territory champion (I don't know if this is a city or regional competition, also it is never stated when it became the champion). In 1924 it was 2nd in the championship (which one?).

SK Slavija Veliki Bečkerek (page 92)

Founded in 1919. It managed to become the winner of Veliki Bečkarek city and province championships multiple times. 1923./24. in provincial championship it finished 2nd, while in the 1924./25. 1. razred season it achieved 3rd place.

SK Kadima Veliki Bečkerek (page 94)

It achieved 4th place during the spring championship (I assume it's talking about the 1924./25. season).

ŽSK Veliki Bečkerek (page 95)

2nd place in Banat župa in 1924 and 1925. It is briefly mentioned that Dušan Silni Vršac is the current winner of Banat župa

ASK Obilić Veliki Bečkerek (page 96)

Founded in 1919, it managed to become the champion of Veliki Bečkerek and Banat during its first full 5 years of existence. In 1924./25. it won the Veliki Bečkerek championship, however it lost in the finale of the Banat championship to Dupan Silni Vršac.

SK Banat Pančevo (page 97)ž

Pančevo champion.

ASK Dušan Silni Vršac (page 98)

Strongest club in Vršac during 1922 and 1923 (I don't know if this means if it won a Vršac championship and if that competition existed). Won Banat province championship in 1924 and Banat championship in 1925.

SK Šumadija Kragujevac (page 99)

Winner of Šumadija župa.

NSK Sinđelić Niš (page 100)

Winner of Morava župa in 1918, 1920, 1921, 1922 & 1923.

UJED SK Sport i Makedonija Skoplje (page 101)

Won the south Serbia championship at one point. Founded in 1919, it was championship every time (unspecified what championship that is).

Građanski SK Skoplje (page 102)

It managed to climb from the bottom place on the table to the 3rd place where it is now.

LSK Rapid Skoplje (page 103)

Founded in 1924. During the autumn season of 1924 it gave up all of its matches (par-forfe) due to only being able to register 7 players (it couldn't register the rest). To me, this seems like an interesting fact you can add to the Italian Wikipedia article for that season. During the spring season of 1925 it managed to achieve good results in the championship.

LSK Pobeda Skoplje (page 104)

3rd place in 1922 Skoplje championship. In 1923 and 1924 it managed to achieve a place below the 3rd place. In 1925 it managed to achieve 3rd place again.

PSK Jug Bogdan Prokuplje (page 106)

It won the Morava župa title more than once. – Croxyz ^💬 19:40, 20. ožujka 2025. (CET)

LJNP. I stated some info before. here's more (page 109.)

LJNP is made up of 19 clubs: 7 of them play in 1. razred which follows the league system, while the restplay in 2. razred which follows the cup system. This type of system (1. & 2. razred) was played in 1919, 1924 and 1925. Previously 1. razred clubs played in a cup-system. The winners then were Ilirija inLjubljana championhsip, Maribor in Maribor championship and Atletik SK in Celje championship.

SK Ilirija Ljubljana (page 110)

Won every Slovenian championship from 1918 to 1925.

SK Hermes Ljubljana Šiška (page 111)

In it's second year of survival (existence???) it moved to 1. razred LJNP. Since then it interchangeably achieves 2nd and 3rd places.

SK Primorje Ljublkjana (page 112)

In the 1921./22. season it was promoted from 2. razred to 1. razred.

SK Jadran Ljubljana (page 113)

In the 1924./25. season it achieved 3rdplacein Slovenian 1. razred and 2. palce in Ljubljana.

SK Slovan Ljubljana (page 116)

At the moment it's located on the 1st place of II. razred (is this season finished by chance?). In 1921 it was the second ebst Slovenian club, afetr Ilirija

1. SSK Maribor (page 116)

2nd place in Slovenia from 1921 to 1925. – Croxyz ^💬 19:55, 20. ožujka 2025. (CET)

Splitski ngooemtni podsavez

GOŠK Gruž (page 1920)

Won Dubrovnik župa in 1923. Constantly the winner of SNP provincial champiosnhip.

That's it for today. The only remaining competitions are Subotički, Sarajevski and Osječki podsavez. – Croxyz ^💬 20:00, 20. ožujka 2025. (CET)

Subotički podsavez

Somborsko sportsko udruženje (page 129)

Winner of "Bajski okrug" (I don't know what bajski means) since 1920

SNP: from 1921. to 1922. (1921./22.?) 3rd place, 1922./23. 2nd place, 1923./24. winner of SNP championship

Vrbaški SK Novi Vrbas (page 130)

Fun fact: Only German club in Yugoslavia

Winner of 2. razred SNP in 1920./21. & 1922./23.

This year the club won the SNP province championship.

TSK Topola (page 131)

Currently playing in 2. razred SNP

In the first championship year (I have no clue what that even means) the club achieved 3rd place.

In 1924./25. it achieved 5th place (in 2. razred???)

SAK Stara Kanjiža (page 132)

Competes in 1. razred SNP.

On the table it's on the 7th place.

Sarajevski nogometni podsavez

SK Slavija Sarajevo (page 136)

In 1924./25. it was relagated to 2. razred, however it reached promotion to 1. razred in the autumn of 1925.

RSK Hajduk Sarajevo (page 137)

Won SNP in 1920./21.

2nd place since 1922 in SNP

Modern day FK Željezničar (page 138)

Competes in 2. razred SNP

SK Krivaja Zavidovići (page 140)

Won Bosnian provincial (there are two provincial championships: Bosnian, Herzegovinian) championship third year in a row.

Osječki nogometni podsavez

JŠK Slavija Osijek (page 145)

Was champion of Osijek 5 times

It won Zagrebački podsavez championship twice

In 1924./25. it was champion of ONP once again

Hrvatski građanski ŠK Osijek (Građanski Osijek) (page 147)

Osijek champion in 1919 and 1920

RŠK Sloga Osijek (page 148)

Usually it's 3rd on the table

Osijek champion in 1922.

OSK Osijek (page 150)

Founded in 1923. It weon 2. razred and joined 1. razred in 1924 (I don't know if they achieved promotion in 1924 or if it started playing in 1. razred that year)

GSK Cibalia Vinkovci (page 152)

Won its župa championship every time since 1920

Won Zagrebački podsavez province championship in 1921

Won Osječki podsavez province championship in 1924

GSK Virovitica (page 156)

In 1923 it won the Slavonia championship beating Sloga Osijek 4:3.

I have finished summarising the book. – Croxyz ^💬 23:22, 21. ožujka 2025. (CET)

During these past few days I have created or expanded the article for each Zagreb club in the book (10 new ones and numerous expanded articles). I assume that you're going to create/expand articles on Zagrebački nogoemtni podsavez seasons in the near future so I decided to create/expand those Zagreb club articles. I'll decide later if I'll continue creating articles about clubs from NK Maksimir's site (see Suradnik:Croxyz/Tiskara#Maksimir) or if I'll continue creating articles about clubs from the book. Do you have any particular wishes for such articles? – Croxyz ^💬 02:49, 24. ožujka 2025. (CET)

I just realised that HŠK Sava Zagreb is the same club as Borac. Do you suggest naming it HŠK Sava Zagreb or some other name that includes Borac? – Croxyz ^💬 02:56, 24. ožujka 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz I think it's better doing #PREUSMJERI [[Borac Zagreb]] (I don't know now the right name). Now I prefer working on Prva liga, I think it's better you fix the Zagreb subfederal leagues (you are the most expert now on wikipedia about it). Ame71 (razgovor). 06:58, 24. ožujka 2025. (CET)

I don’t know if I’ll be able to fix the minor leagues. I’m trying to figure out if HŠK Sava Zagreb and NK Jarun Zagreb were the same club (Borac) after 1945. They’re really close (small distance between them). I couldn’t find a confirmation. However, I found a scientific journal called Povijest sporta. It has over 100 issues. I’ve seen several early football articles (didn’t read any of them). These will probably come in handy, as some of them cover clubs as their main topic. I haven’t discovered this journal previously as the text has no OCR meaning it can’t be found using search engines. – Croxyz ^💬 11:56, 24. ožujka 2025. (CET)

I'll leave this here:

III. razred 1939./40.

Sudionici: BŠK Jednakost, ŠK Jarun, Mesarski ŠK, ŠK Obnova, HŠK Rapid, HŠK Samobor, ŠK Tomislav, HŠK Zec.

1. Mesarski

2. Jarun 8 pobjeda, 1 neriješena, 3 poraza, gol-razlika 31:12, 17 bodova.

U sezoni 1940./41. ukinuti su razredi A i B. Jarun se natjecao u IV. razredu.

Sudionici: BŠK Jednakost, HŠK Grič, ŠK Jarun, Mesarski ŠK, ŠK Obnova, HŠK Rapid, ŠK Sigečica, ŠK Tekstilac, HŠK Zec.

Izvor: Bogdan Cuvaj, Sportski klub Jarun — zbog političkih razloga 18 godina neregistrirani »divlji« klub (1921—1939), Povijest sporta, god. 1975., br. 21., str. 1885–1886. – Croxyz ^💬 14:04, 24. ožujka 2025. (CET)

HŠK Olympia Zagreb played in III. razred 1921./22. – Croxyz ^💬 01:53, 25. ožujka 2025. (CET)

HŠK Olympia Zagreb source

1921./22.: III. razred. Mentioned clubs (this does not mean that the list is complete): Atena, Unitas, Croatia Podsused, Brijački ŠK.

1922./23.: III. razred

1923./24.: Newly formed III. B razred

1924./25.: III. B razred. Olympia finished 2nd. 10 matches, 13 points, 16:12 goal-difference. Mentioned clubs (full list): Pekarski, Južne željeznice, Ferrari & Sloga.

1925./26.: II. B razred. 5th place. 12 matches, 9 points, 14:27 goal-difference. Mentioned clubs (incomplete list): Grafičar, Atena, Amateur, Croatia Podsused.

1926./27.: II. B razred. Possibly incomplete club list: Ferrari, Amateur, Atena.

1927./28.: II. B razred. Possibly incomplete club list: Ferrari, Grič, Amateur, Pekarski, Zagrebački ŠK

1928./29.: New competition format. Olympia is now in III. razred. 16 matches, 13 points, goal-difference is 35:31. Olympia won 7th place. Incomplete club list: Zmaj, Poštar, Pekarski, Zagrebački ŠK, Ferrari.

1929./30.: III. razred. Possibly incomplete club list: Sava, Pekarski, Zagrebački ŠK, Atena, Ferrari.

1930./31.: III. razred. 5th place, 17 [sic!] matches, 16 poiints, goal-difference 34:35. Incomplete club list: Zagrebački ŠK, Pekarski.

From 1931./32. untill 1933./34. II. razred.

1934./35.: II. razred: 4th place, 14 matches, 13 points, goal-difference 21:31.

1935./36.: II. razred: Possibly incomplete club list: Zagreb (not NK Zagreb!), Pekaraski, Trešnjevka, Trgovački, Tipografija, Derby.

1936./37.: I. B razred

1937./38.: I. B razred. Possibly incomplete club list: Skakavci, Trgovački, Zagreb (not NK Zagreb)

1938./39.: I. B razred. Possibly incomplete club list: Trešnjevka, Pekarski, Trnje

1939./40.: I. B razred. 10th place (last place). 18 matches, 10 points, goal-difference 27:73. Incomplete club list: Pekarski, Borongaj, Trgovački, Metalac, Savica.

1940./41.: System reorganised. Now competes in III. razred. Incomplete club list: Metalac, Savica. – Croxyz ^💬 02:18, 25. ožujka 2025. (CET)

Some competitions from here are missing – Croxyz ^💬 02:42, 25. ožujka 2025. (CET)

I thought it would be a good idea if I started collecting all of this lower league info in one place, instead of just posting it here. That way, all Zagrebački nogometni podsavez lower league seasons can be displayed in one organised place. I'll be listing every single of bit information at Suradnik:Croxyz/Tiskara#Niži_rangovi_koji_nedostaju. – Croxyz ^💬 14:52, 25. ožujka 2025. (CET)

I spent all evening creating that list. I have recorded everything related to Zagreb besides stuff in few scientific papers I still haven't read. I have noticed that some of the data is incorrect (or in other words contradictory). Please keep in mind in the future when creating ZNP season articles that tiers might be incorrectly listed (e.g. a club being in the 2nd tier 1 season, and in the 1st tier the other season despite obviously not getting promoted) or that a club might be listed in 2 different tiers in the same season. – Croxyz ^💬 01:02, 26. ožujka 2025. (CET)

It might be the best to ignore the list completely. I have a feel that a lot of the information is incorrect. For example, for one single season we have 4 different reports for the same league. The only reliable information, I guess, are the tables on Maksimir’s site. The information featured there regularly matches the ones on NK Maksimir’s site. I assume that the participants of the 1925./26. season are also correct. If you want to cover the lower leagues and župas, it might be the best to buy that book from exyufudbal.rs (Takmičenja Južnih Slovena 1873-1941 or whatever it’s called), as Cybermb claims that everything is neatly presented there. – Croxyz ^💬 08:03, 27. ožujka 2025. (CET)

NK Zagrebački plavi

Today I expanded NK Zagrebački plavi and fixed numerous erroneous links that lead to NK Jedinstvo Zagreb. I believe there's an error on Italian wiki. The club's colour is displayed as Azzurro and the shirts are in blue and white colour. I believe that this is a misunderstanding. From my understanding, Zagrebački plavi (literally Zagreb blue) is the name of a company that sponsored the team from 1970./71. onwards, meaning that the shirts were not necessarily blue. Sadly, there's no online source regarding the club besides Nogometni leksikon so I can't confirm it. We don't even have the year when the club was renamed to Zagrebački plavi (Historical Lineups only mentions that the club was renamed during the winter). All we have are minor mentions of the club (merging with NK Zagreb, former players and a traditional January friendly match). Honestly, this is surprising for me, especially when we consider it was a second tier club for three seasons. – Croxyz ^💬 21:57, 27. ožujka 2025. (CET)

Đerzelez

First a quick update:
As stated previously I gave up on finding information for ZNP lower tables. You'll need to acquire the book somehow if you want to work on it. In the meatime, Cybermb began doing ONP seasons (today he did his first article: Prvenstvo Osječkog nogometnog podsaveza – Osijek 1926./27.) I have pretty much covered everything Zagreb related I could find in Povijest sportova (Suradnik:Croxyz/Tiskara#Maksimir). I only skipped Srednjoškolsko igralište Elipsa, information on workers sports organisation from the 30s (too much of a headache, plus I don't know if we have all information regarding tournaments. On the other hand, I wrote Blok radničkih klubova u Zagrebu. This is an interesting topic, however I believe that we don't have all the information needed to cover the Dalmatian and ONP branches, so I omitted them), some pre-WW1 topics and early major clubs (PNIŠK, HAŠK and Concordia) as I believe that they should be covered by someone with better knowledge on these topics (I covered the various lower league sides as they are more obscure: HŠK Olympia Zagreb, SK Makabi Zagreb, RŠK Amateur Zagreb, HŠK Sava Zagreb, NK Jarun Zagreb, ŠK Zagreb + some shorter expansions elsewhere). My aim right now is to add all the missing clubs featured in Suradnik:Croxyz/Tiskara#Maksimir which will take some time.

At the end of the Povijest sporta list is an article about AC Troja Sarajevo, a club which I'll cover in the following days. I added it to the list because I remembered seeing Troja Sarajevo somewhere. It was mentioned in FK Željezničar Sarajevo. I decided to take a peek at Album nogometnih klubova. I found nothing there. You might remember the mess we had with Sarajevo club names, so I decided to see if we have anything worthy there (I don't plan covering the clubs in the near future besides Troja). Among the Sarajevo clubs I found was Sarajevski ŠK, a club I rememebered seeing in it:Nogometni klub Đerzelez. There it is stated that Djački muslimanski SK (Djacki should be written as Đački, also keep in mind that Album nogometnih klubova is quite liberal when it comes to SK and ŠK) and Soko fused in February 1919. The new club was called Muslimanski SK. Only Muslims (religion, not the ethnic term used for Bosniaks) were allowed to play in the club up until June 25 1921 when the club was renamed to Sarajevski SK. Đerzelez is not mentioned anywhere meaning that it was not a Sarajevski podsavez club in 1925. I tried looking up information on Troja. I come across these Facebook posts (Note: Facebook posts are not a reliable source, however they may shed light in researching): . For Đerzelez it is stated Đerzelez Sarajevo osnovan 1932 godine od muslimanske čitaonice Preporod Sarajevo. Klub je igrao u Sarajevkom nogometnom posavezu. Klub je nastupao do 1945 godine kad je raspušten. 1992 godine klub je opet obnovljen. 1999 godine se fuzionira sa NK Zenicom i mjenja ime u NK Đerzelez Zenica gdje nastupa pod tim imenom do 2001 godine kada je raspušten.

Now, that's not a confirmation but we might find info if we search in that direction. – Croxyz ^💬 23:38, 29. ožujka 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz I created it:Nogometni klub Đerzelez before the Podsavezna liga pages, so I could nothing understand about the cuttings I was reading. I'm realizing that there are many errors in the pages I created in it.wiki : it's because I did those alone, none was interested in Yugoslavian football (I began in wikipedia with amateur leagues in Friuli, but admins deleted a lot of works of mine, so I went on Croatian leages before, and then to ex YU). Now I'm on hr.wiki and there are you helping me finding mistakes and sources, so I can realize what's wrong in what I did in it.wiki. Ame71 (razgovor). 06:15, 30. ožujka 2025. (CEST)

At least you did the Italian pages for HAŠK and NK HAŠK Zagreb without mistakes, at least ones that can be easily spotted. The Croatian page for NK HAŠK Zagreb is blatantly false. Around 20% of the article is about the club itself, with the rest covering HAŠK, the original club with which the modern club shares no connection besides its name. During the following days I'll have to clean both articles. Cuvaj wrote around 100 pages about the original club. That's a good amount of material, however I don't think I'll be expanding the article in the near future. Also, I advise changing the lead sentence in it:Hrvatski akademski športski klub from football club to sports club as the football section was one of many prominent section of HAŠK. – Croxyz ^💬 18:02, 31. ožujka 2025. (CEST)

I made a short article for NK HAŠK 1903 Zagreb. I'm not sure if the club was called Peščenica or Pešćenica (this is an eastern part of Zagreb). I'll need to look into how it's spelled. I decided to go for Pešćenica because I found it on the club website. Besides that, there's a slight misunderstanding in the Italian article. In 2006 NK Naftaš Ivanić-Grad merged with HAŠK into Naftaš HAŠK. However, HAŠK continued to also play in the lower tiers. This means that HAŠK had two teams: a lower league one and one that played in 2. HNL called Naftaš HAŠK. – Croxyz ^💬 14:58, 1. travnja 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz, in Kvalifikacije_i_ponovljene_kvalifikacije_za_Nacionalnu_ligu_1934.#Doigravanje Građanski Zagreb (3rd place in V group) play a play-off against Slavija Varaždin (ZNP provincial champions), but then it's written Građanski would have play another play-off against Hajduk Split. This thing I heard nowhere, IMHO Hajduk were already qualified for National league.

And in Prvenstvo Jugoslavije u nogometu 1932./33. i put Slavija Osijek at bottom place because they have a worst goals coefficient vs Vojvodina (also the matches between them were for Vojvodina), but all other wikipedias say bottom is Vojvodina. And also exYufudbal say there were a proposal of play-off RNK Split and Sparta Zemun vs the two Slavijas, while Vojvodina were sure relegated. I can't understand... Ame71 (razgovor). 22:45, 2. travnja 2025. (CEST)

According to Te dvije momčadi igrale bi eliminacijske utakmice s 9. i 10. momčadi na ljestvici. Također, ekipe koje sudjeluju u državnoj ligi ove sezone nisu sudjelovale u prvenstvima podsaveza. in Prvenstvo Jugoslavije u nogometu 1932./33. Slavija Osijek couldn't have been last if it was suppossed to play in a play-off. Maybe they didn't follow goal-difference that season? – Croxyz ^💬 14:35, 3. travnja 2025. (CEST)

Claudio Nicolletti has Vojvodina above Slavija

Povijest Dinama has Slavija above Vojvodina

RSSSF has Slavija above Vojvodina (different goal-difference!)

FSG Zrenjanin is same as above

Do you want me to look into newspapers? – Croxyz ^💬 14:41, 3. travnja 2025. (CEST)

RSSSF has a different table... – Croxyz ^💬 14:42, 3. travnja 2025. (CEST)

RSSSF cites Fudbalska takmičenja.... (exyufudbal book) and page 88 of Milorad Sijić, Fudbal u drugoj Kraljevini Jugoslavije (drugo dopunjeno izdanje), Zavičajni muzej župe Aleksandrovac, Aleksandrovac 2014. You might want to check if the previous articles are correct. Also, see if any matches from this season differ between Sijić's book and exyufudbal. – Croxyz ^💬 14:46, 3. travnja 2025. (CEST)

This seems to be related to Dodatak:Utakmice_Državnog_prvenstva_1932./33.#17._kolo. If you take a look at the differences in goal-difference between the two books you'll see that it matches the results of these 2 matches. Our table is correct. I fixed Prvenstvo_Jugoslavije_u_nogometu_1932./33.#Rezultati. – Croxyz ^💬 15:00, 3. travnja 2025. (CEST)

Politika, 18. 12. 1933., str. 10.

Short summary: HAŠK wants to overturn the results. Jugoslavija delegate wants the matches to be registered 3:0 for Jugoslavija and Vojvodina. Zagrepčani (people of Zagreb) support HAŠK (I don't know if this is ZNP-people or delegates from Zagreb clubs). HAŠK won its appeal 349:129.

Later on during the meeting, a decision made by the majority of league clubs was read: da u buduće [ubuduće, a typo?] igra u prvoj ligi svega osam klubova. Poslednji klubovi koji se plasiraju u ovoj ligi igrali bi kvalifikacionu utakmicu sa prvakom koji se dobija iz nižih grupa odnosno liga. Keep in mind that the letter is in Serbian, and I don't believe it was written/read in Serbian, so it might be paraphrased. This wish was rejected. 187 delegated voted for it, as oppossed to 368 delegates who rejected it. With this vote it was decided that the national league will consist of 8 clubs, RSK Split and Sparta Zemun. Slavija Osijek, Vojvodina and Sarajevo were thus relegated. – Croxyz ^💬 15:33, 3. travnja 2025. (CEST)

Also, to clarify your confusion: Vojvodina was on the bottom of the table before the JNS meeting. After it Slavija was last. – Croxyz ^💬 15:37, 3. travnja 2025. (CEST)

Also, I checked the appearences/goals for only Petrak. Our articles had the correct number for goals for him. I assume then that the stats reflect the results decided on December 17th 1933. – Croxyz ^💬 15:40, 3. travnja 2025. (CEST)

Utakmice Državnog prvenstva

Naslov ne bi trebao biti "Utakmice Državnog prvenstva" jer nije jasno koja je država u pitanju. --₳RɢṌ Ṅav¡ડ 10:32, 31. ožujka 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz koji naslov predlažeš? Ame71 (razgovor). 10:39, 31. ožujka 2025. (CEST)

@Argo Navis, koliko sam ja shvatio, natjecanje se doslovce zvalo Državno prvenstvo. – Croxyz ^💬 11:06, 31. ožujka 2025. (CEST)

Categories

Also @Croxyz, I've made these categories per seasons for Kingdom SHS / Yugoslavia
Categories for some seasons haven't still made because there are not enough articles (3 or more) to create Category according to criteria for categorioes at HR wiki
In some cases, a competition could be put into two categories, like:

• Doigravanje za prvenstvo Banovine Hrvatske u nogometu 1940./41. - put both in 1939./40. and 1940./41. season categories - it's played at summer of 1940., but was part of 1940./41. sesason.

We also have Kategorija:Hrvatska nogometna natjecanja po sezonama (1918. – 1941.), and maybe later I will also make categories for season (with 3 or more articles). But there is problem, because Croatia simply haven't existed in Kingdom SHS / Yugoslavia prior 1939. as political entity or region (instead, covered by oblasts and leter banovinas), but we can consider competitions under Zagreb, Split, Osijek and Sušak FAs like Croatian competitions
Also, I will try make more articles about seasons Kategorija:Prvenstva Osječkog nogometnog podsaveza (do 1940./41.) in Osijek Football Sub-association (prior to 1940./41.).
Cybermb (razgovor) 10:51, 31. ožujka 2025. (CEST)

NK Maksimir

During these past three weeks I managed to scrape everything from this NK Maksimir list. Every previous name, foundation/dissolution date, merger etc. is now covered on Croatian Wikipedia. The only thing I've skipped is NK Metal Remetinec (I left that one for @Cybermb as the club entry on NK Maksimir's site is confusing). I also covered the majority of Zagreb-related papers which I found on Povijest športa. I don't plan on covering the rest of the articles as they're either too long/not interesting enough etc. I don't know if I'll continue making these old football articles for some time. I might create articles about clubs featured in Album nogometnih klubova. – Croxyz ^💬 20:07, 4. travnja 2025. (CEST)

Currently I'm creating an article for BRŠK Proleter Brod na Savi. On Italian Wiki I keep seeing Slavonski Brod, e.g. in it:Prvenstvo_ZNP_1929-1930#III_župa_—_Brod. Slavonski Brod was called Brod na Savi until 1934. This error needs to be corrected in other articles aswell. – Croxyz ^💬 00:18, 5. travnja 2025. (CEST)

I haven't checked if you corrected that error. Besides the two errors I have pointed out today (ŽFK Bačka and Pobeda Skoplje's foundation year), I have noticed another error involving it:Fudbalski klub Metalec Skopje. Multiple pages are incorrectly linking this article or the club's history section is wrong.

According to Album nogometnih klubova Jugoslavije, page 101. There was a club called Napredak. Some of its members were unhappy so they left the club and found a new club called Sport. Sport later fused with Makedonija into USSK Sport i Makedonija (which basically stands for United Skopje Sport Clubs Sport and Makedonija).

P.S. While waiting to see if Cybermb will have anything to add to the conversation, I have decided to start writing short articles about the clubs found in Album nogometnih klubova. Due to inconsistent prefixes (mostly the usual SK vs ŠK) I decided to skip the majority of non-Zagreb clubs. Yesterday I started doing Belgrade loptački podsavez club articles. I'm nearing the very end of BLP articles. Also, I decided to skip every club that has an article on Italian Wiki (as there are good articles there which will take time to translate), so everything that I add is either a new article or an addition to already existing articles. – Croxyz ^💬 23:13, 13. travnja 2025. (CEST)

Milorad Sijić, Fudbal u Kraljevini Jugoslavije (drugo dopunjeno izdanje), Zavičajni muzej župe Aleksandrovac, Aleksandrovac 2014., str. 328. has a confusing entry for SSK Skoplje:

Osnovan je 1919. Napredak, 1921. Odvojila se grupa koja osniva novi klub Sport, kasnije se spaja sa klubom Makedonija, od 1927. Skopski Sport Klub (SSK).

I don't know what you should add to it.wiki. – Croxyz ^💬 23:31, 13. travnja 2025. (CEST)

Two more conflicting accounts: – Croxyz ^💬 23:35, 13. travnja 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz I thought SSK and Metalec Skoplje were the same club because I read that on pl.wiki. Are you planning to create the pages of Pobeda, SSK and Makedonija on hr.wiki? If you do that, then I can change the pages on it.wiki translating you. Ame71 (razgovor). 08:44, 14. travnja 2025. (CEST)

Honestly, I don't know. This entire club history is confusing and contradictory. Pobeda only needed its foundation year to be fixed, which I fixed. I don't really see the point of making a separate article for Makedonija as it seems that it only lasted a year before merging with another club. – Croxyz ^💬 12:04, 14. travnja 2025. (CEST)

If I understood correctly:

• Napredak (April 1919)
• Skopljanski Sport-Klub or Skopski Sport Klub (2 different pins from 1920, the letters might not be capitalised, also known as Sport???) (March 20 1921) (Album nogometnih klubova Jugoslavije says that the club was founded in 1919, they probably took Napredak's foundation year as Sport was created by dissatisfied members of Napredak. The year 1919 also appears on a club pin)
• Pobeda was founded in 1921 (in March according to one source, May 5th according to Album nogometnih klubova Jugoslavije). Pobeda changed its name to Jug in 1922, then to Pobeda (which year???) and then to Jug again in 1929
• SK Građanski (from Skoplje) was founded in May 1922
• Makedonija (September 2 1922)
• August 1923 SSK, Makedonija (and possibly Napredak according to a source) merge into USSK Sport i Makedonija or into OSSK Makedonija
• The new club is renamed to SSK in 1925 (if true, this would occur after Album nogometnih klubova Jugoslavije sourced its information)
• Vardar (not FK Vardar Skoplje!) was founded in 1924. After WW2 it was reformed as FK Edinstvo.
• SSK Slavija was founded in 1929
• August 10th 1941: Gragjanski, SSK, Jug and Slavija fuse into SK Makedonija
• July 22nd 1947: Makedonija and Pobeda (a reformed club) fuse into Vardar (FK Vardar Skoplje)

That's what I managed to conclude from the first 3 sources. Then we have Nogometni leksikon:

• In 1919 Napredak was founded. A part of their members left Napredak and founded Vardar which ceased to exist after a short time and was renamed to SK Balkan and in 1927 it was renamed to SSK.

To be frank, that entry seems weird – Croxyz ^💬 12:27, 14. travnja 2025. (CEST)

Skoplje clubs that played in Beogradski/Skopljanski podsavez, according to it.wiki

• Skopski SK (1921./22. - 1922./23., 1925./26. - )
• Napredak (1921./22. - 1924./25.)
• Vardar (1921./22. - 1923./24.)
• Pobeda (1922./23. - )
• Makedonija (1922./23.)
• Građanski (1922./23. - )
• Ujedinjeni SK (1923./24. - 1924./25.)
• Olimpija (1924./25. - )
• Sinđelić (1924./25.)
• Rapid (1924./25. - )
• Balkan (1925./26. - )

To me it seems that there was a second Skoplje division in 1926./27. as the bottom three clubs of the 1925./26. season disappear. – Croxyz ^💬 12:38, 14. travnja 2025. (CEST)

Pretty

Hey Ame. Can you please use class="wikitable" instead of {{prettytable}}. The latter is not compatible with VisualEditor and has been discontinued. Thanks! pon_or (razgovor) 15:26, 25. travnja 2025. (CEST)

@Ponor Ok, I'll do that. Ame71 (razgovor). 19:30, 25. travnja 2025. (CEST)

@Ponor, je li to razlog zašto brojne tablice i predlošci izgledaju čudno zadnjih dana? – Croxyz ^💬 03:49, 30. travnja 2025. (CEST)

Mislim na pretjerano boldani tekst, uglavnom u prvom stupcu ili ako je tekst već prije boldan. – Croxyz ^💬 03:51, 30. travnja 2025. (CEST)

Ne mogu reći bez primjera, ali prettytable i wikitable bio je isti stil, samo VisualEditor nije znao što bi s prettytable. @Croxyz pon_or (razgovor) 03:57, 30. travnja 2025. (CEST)

@Ponor, evo primjer na kojeg sam maločas naletio, a tu je predložak. – Croxyz ^💬 04:00, 30. travnja 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz Pa vidiš u kodu da je to oduvijek boldano. U Jurinom predlošku oduvijek je class=wikitable. pon_or (razgovor) 04:05, 30. travnja 2025. (CEST)

@Ponor, evo gledam na Waybacku 2015. i stavrno se nije mijenjalo. Da nije do browsera ili nečeg sličnog? Mislim, ipak je 4 ujutro i ja umjesto da idem spavati iako sam pospan, ne želim odustati od popunjavanja članaka. Tako da ne želim sada istraživati zašto mi se odjednom tablice drugačije prikazuju. – Croxyz ^💬 04:11, 30. travnja 2025. (CEST)

Prvenstvo Banovine Hrvatske u nogometu 1940./41.

The article says "izlaženjem slovenskih klubova iz Hrvatsko-slovenske lige". There was only 1 Slovenian club. Was their a multiple division system or was there some kind of Croatian-Slovenian league, or is it a simple mistake? – Croxyz ^💬 22:39, 29. travnja 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz I was wrong because I thought as an Italian: I meant the Slovenian clubs went out Croatian/Slovenian football system. Better: in 1939 Slovenian and Croatian ones went out Yugoslav system (into HRV-SLO one), and in 1940 Slovenian ones went out HRV-SLO (born SLO and HRV separated systems). In Italian word "lega" (liga) means more leagues united under an organization, not just a "prvenstvo". When in Italy we say "Lega Calcio", we meant all professional clubs (Serie A, Serie B, Serie C), not just a league. Ame71 (razgovor). 06:43, 30. travnja 2025. (CEST)

Anyway, as we are in hr.wiki, it's better if we say the only Slovenian club went out HRV-SLO league. Can you correct, please? Ame71 (razgovor). 06:43, 30. travnja 2025. (CEST)

Sure – Croxyz ^💬 12:54, 30. travnja 2025. (CEST)

LASK Ljubljana is mostly written in Slovenian. I was quite busy these past few days, so I've only started fixing the previous articles right now. – Croxyz ^💬 01:50, 10. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz You're right, I was a bit tired and I confused the translations. Now I understand why there were some words were so strange... ND Primorje is from Ajdovščina, not Gorica, one day I'll create the pages (there are 2 clubs: NK Primorje dead in 2011, current one is ND Primorje). Ame71 (razgovor). 05:53, 10. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

I stumbled upon this paper. It might come in handy for Ljubljana clubs (e.g. page 397 mentions Krakovo fusing with Jadran). I didn't read it. The full club names might come in handy. – Croxyz ^💬 23:10, 10. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz Thanks for Slovan/Svoboda, I corrected it. I discovered in these days there were more Svoboda Ljubljana, when I created the pages on it.wiki I didn't know. And in that time there weren't Google lens, so I couldn't read at well some pdf. When I'll end wiht the pages on hr.wiki, I'll check the ones on it.wiki. If I do it now at the same time, I drive crazy. Ame71 (razgovor). 05:53, 11. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

I have an unrelated question. Do you know by any chance know (or can assume) why there are so many Željezničar(ski)/Lokomotiva clubs? Until a year or two ago I always assumed they were named after Lokomotiv Moscow or some other Lokomotiv club. However, in recent times I noticed Željezničar(ski)/Lokomotiva popping up often while fixing articles or reading Album nogometnih klubova Jugoslavije and other sources that cover the interwar period, with the most recent one being ŽSK Hermes. These clubs seem to pop up everywhere. E.g. accroding to Album nogometnih klubova Jugoslavia Zagreb has Željezničar (from which modern day Lokomotiva emerged; there are other unmentioned Zagreb clubs, some of which formed later such as ZET which was named after ZET, which is a tramway company), Sisak has Željezničar, Slavonski Brod has Željezničar, Varaždin has Željezničar, Vinkovci Željezničar, etc. In Serbia Veliki Bečkerek (today Zrenjanin) has ŽSK, Subotica and Sombor both have ŽAK. In Bosnia and Herzegovina Banja Luka jas Željezničar, Sarajevo has Željezničar and Hajduk Sarajevo (another unmentioned club was Lokomotiva Mostar which was apparently called Željezničar in 1918, but I don't believe this as I haven't seen mentions of this club anywhere else). – Croxyz ^💬 17:35, 11. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz in these years I realized there are so many clubs with a "railway root" in ex YU. I like it, as I work for Italian railways. In Italy there are no big clubs like Eastern Europe, here some small amateur clubs has DLF (DopoLavoro Ferroviario, literally "free time after work for railwaymen") as sponsor, for example 20 years ago a malinogomet club with my collegues (very poor skills, ha!ha!) played as "DLF Udine". Ame71 (razgovor). 17:53, 11. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

According to NK Ljubljana, Hermes was first founded in 1908. and later refounded in 1918. These years do not match the ones present in Hermes' article. – Croxyz ^💬 17:44, 11. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

Right now I'm adding links to every club that participated in Državno prvenstvo qualifiers. While looking for Jugoslavija Niš, I stumbled upon "Građanski Niš". Some hr.wiki wrongly claimed that this club was the same as FK Radnički Niš. They are two seperate clubs. Radnički Niš is linked (it:Speciale:PuntanoQui/Fudbalski_Klub_Radnički_Niš) in a large number of articles instead of NSK Građanski Niš. There even is a redirect called "Građanski Niš". Do you want me to make an article for NSK Građanski Niš which you can translate (the redirect should either be deleted or turned into a new article)? – Croxyz ^💬 18:39, 11. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz Ok, go on. Ame71 (razgovor). 18:53, 11. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

I don't know what to do with Slavija Sombor, Jug Skoplje and PSK Pančevo. Slavija Sombor's prefix could perhaps be found in one of the Sombor newspapers, but that could take a lot of time. You might remember Jug Skoplje from the contradictory list of information we have for Skoplje clubs. PSK Pančevo fused with Dinamo Pančevo, however I don't know if this PSK Pančevo is the same club as PSK Pančevo from Kingdom of Yugoslavia. Do you want me to create an article for NSK Građanski Niš or will you fix the mistakes and ask for the redirect to be deleted? – Croxyz ^💬 19:09, 11. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz Yes, create the article for NSK Građanski Niš, then I'll correct the redirect.Ame71 (razgovor). 19:38, 11. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

Today I only wrote an article about NSK Jugoslavija Niš. It participated in Kvalifikacije za Nacionalnu ligu 1933. The participants table is missing the podsavez championship results for Jugoslavija Niš, Car Lazar Kruševac and Šumadija Kragujevac. I took a look at it:Prvi razred 1932-1933 and found Jugoslavija Niš at 5th place. Am I missing something? I still haven't fixed Hermes' article due to the foundation year. Also, the reason why I skipped Građanski Niš is because it's listed in Suradnik:Croxyz/Izvori. It has a 14 page article which I should read first, however I'm sleepy. Hajduk and Pobeda Niš also have articles which were penned by the same author. I might write about these clubs the following days, although I can't guarantee that I'll write them, with Građanski possibly being ruled out since that redirect needs to be fixed before we forget. – Croxyz ^💬 23:57, 11. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

Error on Italian Wiki: according to Niški_loptački_podsavez#Moravska_župa the winner of the 1927./28. season was Radnički Niš, while it:Prvenstvo_BLP_1927-1928#Moravska_župa claims it's Građanski Niš. – Croxyz ^💬 00:33, 12. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

I fixed ŽSK Hermes. There were 2 club called Hermes. It is not sure if they're connected. The 1st was founded before World War 1. – Croxyz ^💬 22:25, 12. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

While you're waiting for the book to be delivered, I'd like to highlight that NK Mura's website has tables of previous seasons, such this one that covers the 2. razred Maribor group of Prvenstvo Ljubljanskog nogometnog podsaveza 1924./25. – Croxyz ^💬 00:33, 14. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

Since Slaven Belupo is playing in the Croatian Cup Final, Slaven's article will likely see an increase in readership. Large parts of that article seem to be false, thus I'm rewriting it. I found something interesting in this paper: Igralo se u Brodu i utakmica je nakon produžetaka od 30. min. završila nedolučno 1:1. Savez je oba kluba proglasio prvacima pokrajine. Ždrijebom je odlučeno da utakmicu za prvaka Hrvatske protiv Građanskog odigra Marsonija. This description doesn't match the one in Prvenstvo Zagrebačkog nogometnog podsaveza 1919./20. and it.wiki (possibly in several articles, such as ZNP). There are 2 more papers on the early history of Slaven Belupo. I'll read them later. – Croxyz ^💬 20:02, 14. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

I find it interesting that instead of the it:Prvenstvo_ZNP_1920#IV_župa_—_Bjelovar matches it lists only 1 match against a side called Virovitički SK which was defeated 1:0. – Croxyz ^💬 20:12, 14. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

The articles that should be changed are it:Prvenstvo ZNP 1920 (sadly I don't know anything about the final), it:Zagrebački_nogometni_podsavez#Provincia, it:Nogometni klub Slaven Belupo Koprivnica. The latter article contains several factual errors which I've removed from hr.wiki. First, the foundation year in the infobox (Squadra di calcio) and lead section (È stato fondato nel 1907) should be changed to 1911. Đački nogometni klub was founded in 1906, not 1907 (it was registered that year). Đački nogometni klub was a club of highschoolers (just in case if studenti by any chance strictly mean university students). la prima partita a Koprivnica, la prima in Croazia fuori Zagabria is wrong. It seems to originate from one of the sources I used. The first football matches in Koprivnica were played by Đački nogometni klub players against eachother (red vs blue). The first football match played in Croatia was played in Županja in 19th century. I don't know anything about the HŠK part of the article (Un gruppo di giocatori, guidati dai fratelli Friedrich, non nasconde l'insoddisfazione per il fatto che il club non sia "Hrvatski športski" (sport croato), seguendo l'esempio del HAŠK Zagabria, così il 20 agosto 1912 cambia il nome in HŠK Slaven.), however I do know that Đački nogometni klub was not renamed to Slaven. Slaven split away from Đački nogometni klub which continued to exist. Basically they are 2 clubs. The split happened in 1911. Slaven was registered in 1912 (that's the reason why the year 1912 is stated). The 1920 province championship section (Lo Slaven migliora costantemente e nel 1920 diviene il campione provinciale della Croazia) should be expanded. Viktoria or possibly Viktorija (not Victorija) is not a successor club. It was founded in 1918 (Source: Album nogometnih klubova Jugoslavija) while both Slaven and the first club still existed. I'd omit the other clubs part (Dal 1926 al 1930, Koprivnica non ha una squadra di calcio. Dal 1930 sono attive HŠK Koprivnica, HŠK Danica e RNHŠK Sloga (la società sportiva dei lavoratori croati).) because if I recall correctly there are more clubs + it doesn't really make much sense to list every other club which existed in the city. I think it might be the best to just rewrite everything which happened before 1945. You can just make a shorter version of the current hr.wiki history section (NK Slaven Belupo Koprivnica#Povijest). – Croxyz ^💬 23:23, 14. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz Done. Ame71 (razgovor). 09:48, 15. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

Slavenski apostoli should be translated to the Italian translation of "Slavic apostoles". It should link to it:Cirillo e Metodio, not it:Slavorum Apostoli. – Croxyz ^💬 17:39, 15. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

I never thought of extracting all of the full club names from Jadranski sport. I'll only list the clubs with prefixes/suffixes, as the list can be used to determine actual names. I skimmed through the text so I might've missed some clubs. I skipped the Rijeka clubs. I ignored dots (e.g. Z. S. E. -> ZSE)

1920, no. 3

Sarajevo -> HŠK Sarajevo (SAŠK), Srpski ŠK, Radnički ŠK Hajduk, Muslimanski ŠK

Celje -> ŠK Celje, ŠK Vodnik, ŠK Svoboda

1920, no. 4

Sarajevo -> Srpski SK

Beograd -> Beog. Sportklub (BSK Beograd), BŠK, BUŠK

Subotica -> ZSE, Sand, ZSK, ZMFE, UVAK, AAC, UTK, Temerinski TC

1920, no. 5

Split -> JŠK Split, JŠK Hajduk, JSNK Jug

Zombor (sic!) -> Zomborski SE

Beograd -> Beog. Universitetski SK

1921, no. 3

Split -> JŠK Hajduk

Zagreb -> Poštanski ŠK

1921, no. 12

Split -> JSNK Jug

1921, no. 15

Beograd -> BŠK

BČK

1921, no. 16

Split -> JNK Jug (so far it was JSNK!), JŠK Split, JSK Hajduk (so far it was JŠK)

1921, no. 17

Lots of Vojvodina clubs. Some could be located in Hungary, so I', not listing them.

1921, no. 18

Mostar -> JNK (we have an article called JŠK Mostar)

Metković -> NŠK Narona (N = Nogometni)

1921, no. 24

Mostar -> JSK (yes, the club from above)

Makarska -> Biokovo (I'm listing it cause I never heard of it)

1921, no. 26

Gold mine!

Full list of Belgrade clubs is given for I. and II. razred (probably all listed on it.wiki). Here we have both BSK and BŠK, as well as BUSK and BUŠK in the same article.

ZNP

The number of clubs increased to 28, so ZNP made the following reorganisations:

1. razred: HAŠK, Građanski, Concordia, Ilirija, Viktorija, Croatia, Sparta (Jadranski sport seems to call Šparta Sparta) and Slaven.

2. razred: Slavija, Tipografija, Derby, Sava, Željezničarski S. K., Makkabi (not listed as Makabi) and Poštarski S. K.

3. razred: Penkala, Zagreb, Samobor, Zmaj, Grafika, Amater (not Amateur) and Češka XI

4. razred: Unitas, Brijački S. K., Croatia-Podsused, Atena, Rapid, Olimpija (note the spelling)

Take a look at no. 36. It gives (almost) full tables and some name variations.

Osijek -> Makkabi (not Makabi)

Novi Sad -> Makkabi (not Makabi)

Sarajevo -> Omladinski SK, Željezničarski SK, RŠK Hajduk, Sarajevski SK

1921, no. 27

Sarajevo -> RSK Hajduk (so far it was RŠK, this time we have a match report against Hajduk Split)

Sarajevski podsavez

1. razred: Slavija, Hajduk, Amateri (SAŠK?), Sarajevski ŠK

2. razred: Bar-Kobba (typo? The club was named after a Jew whose name in English is Bar Kokhba), Željezničari, Sparta, Troja

Beograd -> BŠK

1921, no. 30

Split -> JSK Hajduk

Subotica -> Sand, STK

Sombor -> STC

Zenta (sic!) -> AC Zenta

1921, no. 31

Split -> JNŠK Hajduk

Beograd -> BŠK, BUŠK

1921, no. 32

Split -> JŠK Hajduk

Interesting story: The first Yugoslav club in America: RNK Jug Chicago. It even mentions a league. I didn't research this topic further, it can be an article in the future. Page 71 mentions it briefly in a footnote. Other than that, I didn't try to dig anything.

I didn't do 1922 and 1923. it:Prvenstvo ZNP 1921-1922 can now have II., III. and IV. razred (if the names are correct). I find it odd that it doesn't match anything in Suradnik:Croxyz/Tiskara. – Croxyz ^💬 02:11, 16. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

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Sorry for the block, the filter found something in your article that matches up with some vandalism patterns. Unfortunately I'm not able to dig through and find what it was at the moment (and how to prevent it moving forward), but @Ponor's pretty handy with the filter, so I hope he can figure something out. Maybe hold off from posting the same page until then – just in case. ☀ Hijérovīt | ^þⰁ_č 09:16, 8. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

Yeah, sorry, I had to enable a filter to prevent a spammer from Trieste from vandalizing our Wiki for a few days. You should be good to go now. pon_or (razgovor) 10:06, 8. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

@Hijerovit and @Ponor : now it works, thanks! Ame71 (razgovor). 11:06, 8. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

Obilić Kruševac

The Obilić Kruševac you wrote about is ZŽRSK Obilić Kruševac. Like all Kruševac clubs, it's featured in Milorad Sijić, Fudbal u Rasinskom okrugu (dopunjeno izdanje), Kruševac 2020. ZŽRSK Obilić Kruševac is the second club to feature on page 73 with the first one being an unrelated club called SK Obilić Kruševac (the one mentioned in the first sentence of Obilić Kruševac#O klubu). The current article should be renamed to ZŽRSK Obilić Kruševac, and Obilić Kruševac should be a disambiguation article. Do you plan on continuing the article with information from Sijić's book? Also, you mislabeled Milorad Sijić, Fudbal u Kraljevini Jugoslavije (drugo dopunjeno izdanje), Zavičajni muzej župe Aleksandrovac, Aleksandrovac 2014. as Zgodovina nogometa v Kraljevini SHS/Jugoslaviji in v času okupacije. – Croxyz ^💬 22:59, 16. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz ops, you're right, I mislabeled Milorad Sijić's book... do you know what does mean ZŽRSK ? Ame71 (razgovor). 01:26, 17. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

Yes. It is mentioned on page 76: Занатлијско-железнички раднички спорт клуб „Обилић“ or in Latin script Zanatlijsko-železnički radnički sport klub „Obilić“. Just paste the Cyrillic text into here paragraph by paragraph (don't paste the entire text as it will be unreadable and confusing). And yes, this is another club with railway roots. – Croxyz ^💬 02:06, 17. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

Page 79 features SK Car Lazar from Kvalifikacije za Nacionalnu ligu 1933. & Kvalifikacije za prvenstvo Jugoslavije u nogometu 1939. I determined the prefix fewdaysago by using this book. – Croxyz ^💬 02:09, 17. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz I can't understand if SK Car Lazar is still in activity or not. Fudbal u Rasinskom okrugu (dopunjeno izdanje), Milorad Sijić, Fudbal u Kraljevini Jugoslavije (drugo dopunjeno izdanje) and 037 priča o Kruševcu: Od prve lopte do “provincijskog Urugvaja“ only tell the story between the two world wars. Fudbalski savez rasinskog okruga - Oficijalni sajt tell FK Car Lazar won the Prva okružna liga in 1997-98. srbijasport.net page is very poor and I think it ins't the same club. Do you think SK Car Lazar (the one you mentioned above) died in 1941? Ame71 (razgovor). 07:27, 17. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

This new Car Lazar club first appears on page 375 of Fudbal u Rasinskom okrugu (dopunjeno izdanje). It played in Opštinska liga Kruševac "Morava" 1994./95 which should be the lowest division. It is last mentioned on page 398. It finished last in Pomoravska zona 2000./21. It's probably a short-lived club. Do you plan on expanding the ZŽRSK Obilić Kruševac article with information from that book? – Croxyz ^💬 15:19, 17. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

According to the lead section of sr:Lazar Hrebeljanović the Serbian medieval duke (not emperor) Lazar Hrebeljanović ruled from Kruševac. The original club was probably named after him or something else that was named after him (like a society/organisation). I wouldn't be surprised that it's a pure coincidence that book clubs share the same name (meaning that there is no connection between them, except the possibly coincidental name). – Croxyz ^💬 15:24, 17. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz At the moment I'm not planning to improve ZŽRSK Obilić page: it appears only in 1 page. Maybe in the future. Ame71 (razgovor). 18:51, 17. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

Ok. I might improve it in the coming days. Also I added links to Građanski Čakovec. – Croxyz ^💬 19:01, 17. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

I slightly improved ZŽRSK Obilić Kruševac and created SK Obilić Kruševac. The source I used has missing tables, e.g. for it:Prvenstvo_BLP_1921-1922#Jelička_župa. – Croxyz ^💬 21:15, 17. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

Two 19th century Trieste literary journals have been added to library.foi.hr. This is odd as the library usually digitalises works from Croatia/related to Croats. Given the recent Subotica collection, I wouldn't be surprised if we'll get more Trieste works, including newspapers. These might come in handy for those Eastern Italy articles on it.wiki you're working on. – Croxyz ^💬 02:13, 20. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz in summer 1939 Ljubljanski podsavez became Slovenski savez, so in the season 1939-40 the new formed Ljubljanski podsavez included only teams from Ljubljana and its surroundings, while Celje and Maribor formed while Celje and Maribor created their own subfederations. So I'm planning to renamed Prvenstvo Ljubljanskog nogometnog podsaveza 1939./40. to Slovensko nogometno prvenstvo 1939./40., where the "Grupne lige" (Lubiana, Celje and Maribor) are renamed "Podsavezna prvenstva". Ame71 (razgovor). 10:05, 20. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz Do you agree? Ame71 (razgovor). 17:03, 20. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

Can you give me links/sources? – Croxyz ^💬 17:10, 20. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

Fudbal u Kraljevini Jugoslaviji (p. 182) claims that the Ljubljana and Maribor župas (I haven't seen them referred to as župas before) were elevated to podsavezi. Celjski podsavez was created. However, the tables are called Ljubljanska grupa and so on.

Zbornik 100 let... (p. 60) uses I. razred, ljubljanska skupina (skupina and group are synonyms). P. 53 says that the Ljubljanski podsavez was replaced by Slovenska nogometna zveza (or Slovenski nogometni savez) in Croatian which has 3 podsavezi (Celje, Ljubljana and Maribor). Personally, I'd go with this interpretation. When creating the Ljubljanski nogometni podsavez, I recommend adding the club list of this new Ljubljanski nogometni podsavez (p. 53). There's nothing wrong with "Slovensko nogometno prvenstvo 1939./40.", although I'd keep grupne lige as the soruces above call them groups. – Croxyz ^💬 17:23, 20. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz now I read better: Zbornik Medobčinske nogometne zveze Ljubljana 1920–2020 says the league began in the usual way (the subfederation changes were in november, not in august). So I leave the page like the former ones. Ame71 (razgovor). 17:38, 20. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

Just a note for the 1940./41.: Čakovec clubs (I don't know if this applies to clubs from any other places) play in Zagrebački podsavez instead of Ljubljanski podsavez. I don't know why. – Croxyz ^💬 18:12, 20. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

Never mind, I forgot that there was now a Croatian Football Federation. It's obvious why they made the move. Anyways, the source for that is Milorad Sijić, Fudbal u Kraljevini Jugoslavije (drugo dopunjeno izdanje), Zavičajni muzej župe Aleksandrovac, Aleksandrovac 2014., str. 161. – Croxyz ^💬 18:29, 20. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz about Prvenstvo Jugoslavije u nogometu 1935./36. : it's page 405. Ame71 (razgovor). 12:42, 20. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

I can't recall if it was you with who I discussed the status of NK Posavina Zagreb. Honestly, I don't even know if that club even exists today and in what form (or to be more precise, under which name). Anyways, I fixed the article a bit. Nogometni leksikon isn't 100% correct when it comes to this club. Although, I'm not sure if the current article can be regarded as 100% factual, due to the club playing under names different from the one according to our sources, e.g. in Zagrebačka nogometna zona 1983./84. there's Chromos instead of Kemičar. – Croxyz ^💬 00:08, 29. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

Here's a breakdown according to hr.wiki season articles.

Chromos: 1956./57., 1962./63.

Kemičar: 1964./65., 1965./66., 1968./69., 1974./75., 1976./77., 1977./78., 1978./79.

Chromos: 1979./80., 1980./81., 1981./82., 1983./84., 1985./86., 1986./87., 1987./88., 1988./89., 1989./90., 1990./91., 1992./93., 1993./94., 1994./95., 1995./96., 1996./97.

Posavina: 1996./97., 1997./98., 1998./99.

It seems correct besides the claim that Chromos was refounded in 1985. It doesn't seem right since Chromos was competing in the same division in 1983./84. and 1985./86. Maybe @Cybermb will solve the inconsistency. In any case, you might want to fix the errors on it.wiki at one point. – Croxyz ^💬 00:18, 29. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

P.S. I added all of NK Maksimir's Kup maršala Tita results in the Kup maršala Tita season articles. – Croxyz ^💬 00:19, 29. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

Samoborske novine 1. travnja 1980., str. 13. has Chromos, so we know that the club was indeed called that in 1980. – Croxyz ^💬 16:37, 29. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

Samoborske novine 1. srpnja 1979., str. 8. also record Chromos, but it's not a football team, so I don't know if they are the same club.

Samoborske novine 15. rujna 1979., str. 16. has a match between Samobor and Chromos, so we have a confirmation that the name change occured either in 1978 or 1979. – Croxyz ^💬 16:45, 29. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

[15,%22panX%22:0.534,%22panY%22:0.312,%22view%22:%22info%22,%22zoom%22:1.247} Karlovački tjednik 15. lipnja 1978., str. 15.] has Kemičar.

[16,%22panX%22:0.536,%22panY%22:0.715,%22view%22:%22info%22,%22zoom%22:1.03} Karlovački tjednik 26. listopada 1978., str. 16.] has Kemičar.

[15,%22panX%22:0.459,%22panY%22:0.207,%22view%22:%22info%22,%22zoom%22:1.089} Karlovački tjednik 10. svibnja 1979., str. 28.] has Kemičar.

[9,%22panX%22:0.814,%22panY%22:1.142,%22view%22:%22info%22,%22zoom%22:1.225} Karlovački tjednik 14. lipnja 1979., str. 16.] has Kemičar.

The name change must've happened in 1979. I'll take a another look at Samoborske novine. – Croxyz ^💬 16:56, 29. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

Fell free to correct the Italian article now. The only unresolved issue is the club's faith. – Croxyz ^💬 17:20, 29. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

@Cybermb, možeš li samo provjeriti jesu li se Mesarski i Chromos 1960. spojili u Mesokrom ili Meskrom? Pretpostavljam da će odgovor biti u 100 GODINA NOGOMETA U HRVATSKOJ 1880 - 1980, Zagreb, 1981. (istoj onoj knjizi gdje si gledao je li ČŠK ili ČSK ispravno). Trebalo bi ispraviti ime kluba u NK Mesarski Zagreb ili NK Posavina Zagreb. Također, ako klub bude bio naveden u knjizi, možeš li navesti popis svih imena (da usporedimo s imenima i godinama u članku NK Posavina Zagreb). – Croxyz ^💬 17:42, 29. svibnja 2025. (CEST)

Can you fix the Italian Mario Kovačević article? The current club needs to be updated, the birthplace is wrong, the youth years might be incorrect (so I removed them on Croatian wiki), several clubs are missing in the infobox (both senior and coaching clubs) and senior club matches played stats are incorrect (I advise removing them all, I now for certain that the Međimurje caps are much higher). – Croxyz ^💬 15:41, 4. lipnja 2025. (CEST)

Also, note the difference between the old NK Varaždin (Varteks) and the new one. Kovačević played for the original club, and coached both of them. – Croxyz ^💬 15:43, 4. lipnja 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz Done. I didn't know he was new Dinamo manager and I was asking myself "why so interest in him?"? :D Ame71 (razgovor). 10:14, 5. lipnja 2025. (CEST)

He became manager yesterday which meant that the article garnered a lot of attention, so I updated it. I was honestly surprised by the amount of media articles with false information. It certainly shows how low the standard of journalism in Croatia really is. Nobody conducted a basic fact-check, not even the club!?. – Croxyz ^💬 12:24, 5. lipnja 2025. (CEST)

I think you should respond to Razgovor sa suradnikom:Croxyz#Plagijati. – Croxyz ^💬 16:58, 6. lipnja 2025. (CEST)

I made some fixes in FK Slavija Istočno Sarajevo. Italian wiki contains the same errors, e.g. claiming that Hrvatski ŠK was founded in 1913, instead of 1910 (SAŠK was founded in 1913, both clubs merged in the following years so the error stems from there). – Croxyz ^💬 10:37, 5. srpnja 2025. (CEST)

Believe it or not, I think that Građanski's name was wrongly used on all Wikipedias this entire time. I went through numerous sources (names of books, scientific articles, newspapers etc.) and they follow a common pattern: the club is called 1. hrvatski građanski športski klub Zagreb or some other variation, e.g. I. or Prvi instead of 1., or all/some of the words are capitalised. You're probably asking yourself how on Earth is the club name of the most successful pre-WW2 club wrong in so many online sources? It's probably Wikipedia's blame as the article was called 1. HŠK Građanski Zagreb since its creation in 2006. Honestly I think I'll lose my mind just by correcting every single article on Croatian Wikipedia. I don't even want to try correcting other Wikipedias. Also I hope you read everything I wrote on Cybermb's talk page. I made a lot of useful discoveries. – Croxyz ^💬 00:20, 6. srpnja 2025. (CEST)

Đerzelez

As promised I fixed Đerzelez's Croatian Wiki article. Can you fix the Italian article for Đerzelez and Sarajevski podsavez (see above) before I proceed correcting the mistakes on other Wikis? I'll also make on article on Sarajevski ŠK in the near future. As for Gjerzelez, it's a spelling variant of Đerzelez. In older texts it was common to use Gj instead of Đ. Gj is pronounced as Đ so it doesn't make much sense to push that spelling. I don't know from where "MOŠK Gjerzelez" stems from. The name wasn't used in 1932 nor 1937 JNS reports nor in the RSSSF tables, so it might be the best if you don't mention that name in the Italian article. – Croxyz ^💬 01:31, 10. srpnja 2025. (CEST)

Also please fix the it:Fudbalski_klub_Slavija article as stated above. – Croxyz ^💬 01:35, 10. srpnja 2025. (CEST)

Sarajevski športski klub has been created in the meantime. – Croxyz ^💬 02:57, 10. srpnja 2025. (CEST)

For it:Sarajevski nogometni podsavez, a good addition would be Suradnik:Croxyz/Tiskara#Članovi_SNP_1932. Links to Đerzelez should be replaced in the Albo d'oro table and Prvi razred season articles (Đerzelez was linked instead of Sarajevski športski klub, also keep in mind that the club wasn't always called Sarajevski ŠK). The provincial championship finals are all probably listed in the Fudbalska takmičenja Južnih Slovena book (you claim to own it, so check it). – Croxyz ^💬 01:01, 23. srpnja 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz Some months ago, I asked Slađana (my neighbor in Rijeka) to buy me the book. In Latin characters, not Cyrillic. But now that I'm on vacation in Rijeka, I realize she's forgotten about it... I fixed Sarajevski SK in Albo d'Oro. At the beginning I thought it and Đerzelez were the same club... Ame71 (razgovor). 10:20, 24. srpnja 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz Bad news: i tried with Slađana to order the book, but it's not more available. I tried also in 3 book-shops in Rijeka centre: nothing to do... Ame71 (razgovor). 06:00, 26. srpnja 2025. (CEST)

That's such a shame. I don't even expect it to be possible to find the book in a Croatian bookshop as the book needs to be ordered from the site. Your neighbour is right, the book is indeed not available anymore (Trenutno NEMA PRIMERAKA NA LAGERU!). – Croxyz ^💬 13:04, 26. srpnja 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz I see Slovenska republička liga was called "Prva nogometna liga NR Slovenije" in 1947/48 and 1948/49. What was the name in 1946 and 1946/47? And in what seasons it was "Slovenska nogometna zona" and in what "Slovenska republička nogometna liga" ? Ame71 (razgovor). 07:53, 28. srpnja 2025. (CEST)

Honestly I never explored this topic. Have you tried checking the sources in Suradnik:Croxyz/Izvori#Slovenija? – Croxyz ^💬 11:18, 28. srpnja 2025. (CEST)

@Cybermb probably has some knowledge about the topic. – Croxyz ^💬 11:21, 28. srpnja 2025. (CEST)

I just wanted to share the story of NK RIZ Odašiljači Zagreb with you. It had a pretty weird name, RIZ Odašiljači. Odašiljači literally means (radio) transmitters. I assume it's somehow connected to the RIZ company. The sad thing is that I can't find any information about the club online. What's more the club's Wikipedia article hasn't been updated for 15 years up until today. Nobody even added the 2 name changes it had since. I couldn't even find any mentions of those two last two names meaning that I can't even conclude when did the club ceased to exist. What makes it especially sad is that the club's members didn't know anything about the club's history. All they knew was from NK Maksimir's website. Honestly it feels shocking that a club that played in the Druga savezna liga qualifiers has somehow managed to get completely erased from history/collective memory, especially since it had such a bizzare name that stands out. – Croxyz ^💬 23:52, 7. kolovoza 2025. (CEST)

Also, I wanted to add that it's sad to see such a successful club cease to exist after being completely forgotten while competing in the lowest tier possible. – Croxyz ^💬 23:57, 7. kolovoza 2025. (CEST)

Congrats on finishing the Slovenian seasons! – Croxyz ^💬 22:10, 11. kolovoza 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz Slovenian leagues are easy: they are full of sources. I have a doubt about "Kategorija", could you check in Prva slovenska nogometna liga 1991./92. if they are right or they are to change? Ame71 (razgovor). 10:33, 12. kolovoza 2025. (CEST)

I created them in the meantime. Also under Vanjske poveznice you might want to add links to club websites that feature information for those seasons (e.g. Mura, Maribor etc.). I see that we no longer have access to Maribor's pre-1991 seasons. – Croxyz ^💬 12:37, 12. kolovoza 2025. (CEST)

Can you keep an eye on historical-lineups.com/? I think that they might cover Kvalifikacije za popunu Druge savezne lige 1973. in the near future. – Croxyz ^💬 13:34, 15. kolovoza 2025. (CEST)

I was writing the above comment in a hurry, so I couldn't add that new editions of the Druga savezna liga seasons were added. They can be added to Vanjske poveznice (External links) in the season articles. – Croxyz ^💬 11:59, 16. kolovoza 2025. (CEST)

Earlier today I updated the 1972./73. qualifiers. The source used the term amaterski prvak. I've seen this term at least several times. Several days ago you created a Slovenian season article where some clubs were punished for not following amateur practices. Maybe the 3rd tier had strict amateur rules? Was there by chance some competition called amatersko prvenstvo in the 60s and/or 70s? I remember seeing it in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and possibly even in Serbia. Amaterski prvak appears several times in Nogometni leksikon.

Čakovec's entry states that MTČ Čakovec was the amateur champion of Croatia and vice-champion of Yugoslavia in 1969./70. (no mention of Yugoslav amateur championship?)

Junak Sinj's entry states that it was the amateur champion of Croatia in 1970./71. (not according to our article)

Segesta's entry states that it was the amateur champion of Croatia in 1971 (1970./71.)

Rovinj's entry states that it was the amateur champion of Croatia in 1972./73.

Šibenik's entry states that it was the amateur champion of Yugoslavia in 1984 (no mention in any article?)

Posavina Zagreb's article talks about Croatian youth amateur championships (if amateur championships exist for kids, was there a professional one!?)

Končar's entry similiary claims that it one 1967, 1969 Croatian youth amateur champiosnhips. – Croxyz ^💬 23:29, 16. kolovoza 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz historical-lineups.com/ is not useful to complete Kvalifikacije za popunu Druge savezne lige 1973. as it covers only 2nd division leagues and clubs. I always considered the third division to be amateur, I thought it was obvious. Regarding the Croatian amateur championship, I don't know what to say. The sources contradict each other: I can't understand if the amateur champion is the one who wins the qualifiers and is promoted, or the one who wins the tournament among the runners-up. Perhaps in some years it was one way, and in other years it was the other.Ame71 (razgovor). 14:51, 17. kolovoza 2025. (CEST)

Prva slovenska nogometna liga 1994./95. and Prva slovenska nogometna liga 1995./96. are confusing me. They both mention the UEFA rankings for the same year, yet both the times a different rank is given. – Croxyz ^💬 00:33, 21. kolovoza 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz I tried to regolarize, could you check if now it's right, please? Ame71 (razgovor). 10:26, 21. kolovoza 2025. (CEST)

Građanski Zemun

At the moment I'm fixing HŠK Građanski Zemun. That name is probably fictitious. In NDH (Croatain puppet state during WW2), the club was called 1. hrvatski građanski športski klub, just like the Građanski from Zagreb, 1. hrvatski građanski športski klub Zagreb which was erroneously titled HŠK Građanski Zagreb on Wikipedia, and is still titled like that on other Wikipedias. I'm telling this since it:HŠK Građanski Zemun will need to get renamed (as should it:1. HŠK Građanski Zagreb). I'm curious about the Italian article since it mentions that the history started in 1919 (I have 2 sources, 1 from the official JNS 1932 publication and the other being a newspaper report about the club's 20th birthday, that claim that the club, at least officialy, was founded in 1923). The Italian Wiki article cites an online newspaper article that seems to be unrelated to the subject matter (Građanski). – Croxyz ^💬 16:54, 25. kolovoza 2025. (CEST)

And by the way the name "HŠK Građanski Zemun" comes from RSSSF. The other club names might also be incorrect, as the Građanski from Zagreb is referred to as "1.HSK Gradjanski Zagreb" (The word Građanski comes after Hrvatski). Looks like I'll have to look into that in the near future. – Croxyz ^💬 16:57, 25. kolovoza 2025. (CEST)

Yeah I don't think RSSSF can be trusted. I'm looking through a newspaper that published official HNS (not JNS) legal texts and each time Đerzelez Sarajevo is referred to as Djerzelez, not Gjerzelez. @Cybermb, I'll delete all instances of Gjerzelez on Wikipedia and replace them with the modern varient Đerzelez. – Croxyz ^💬 17:09, 25. kolovoza 2025. (CEST)

From where did you get the results of it:Prvenstvo_Nezavisne_Države_Hrvatske_u_nogometu_1942#Girone_D? – Croxyz ^💬 18:20, 26. kolovoza 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz they are on eu-football.info Ame71 (razgovor). 00:16, 27. kolovoza 2025. (CEST)

I meant the individual matches (e.g. 0:0, 1:1 etc.). Not the final group table. – Croxyz ^💬 00:20, 27. kolovoza 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz in this page the results are up and the table down. I can see them. Ame71 (razgovor). 01:52, 27. kolovoza 2025. (CEST)

Group D<img onClick='toggle(3151)' src='images/collapse.gif' id='exp3151' class='s exp af'/>

Pos.

Club

1

2

3

4

5

1

S.A.Š.K.

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3:2

3:1

3:1

7:0

2

HŠK Zrinjski

1:2

<img src='images/ball.png' class='p'>

2:0

2:0

3:1

3

H.Š.K. Hrvoje

2:0

1:2

<img src='images/ball.png' class='p'>

2:0

3:1

4

H.Š.K. Gjerzelez

1:1

1:1

1:1

<img src='images/ball.png' class='p'>

2:0

5

H.B.Š.K.

0:5

1:1

1:1

0:0

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Club

Played

Won

Drawn

Lost

Goals For

Goals Against

Points

SAŠK, Sarajevo

8

6

1

1

24

8

11

<a href='_club.php?id=3196'>HŠK Zrinjski</a>, Mostar

8

4

2

2

14

9

10

HŠK Hrvoje, Banja Luka

8

3

2

3

11

10

8

HŠK Gjerzelez, Sarajevo

8

1

4

3

6

10

6

HBŠK, Banja Luka

8

0

3

5

4

22

3

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Ah, my bad. I was probably just too tired from fixing a lot of articles. I'll add the results now. – Croxyz ^💬 23:38, 27. kolovoza 2025. (CEST)

Omarska seasons in the 21st centuries.

I'm writing this in advance in case I forget to write this in the upcoming days: Here on hr.wiki we have a weird way of recording Bosnia and Herzegovina seasons. E.g. Druga liga Republike Srpske – Zapad 2002./03. should be recorded under Nogometno prvenstvo Bosne i Hercegovine – 3. ligaški rang 2002./03. instead of being a seperate article. I'll review the new articles in the following minutes. – Croxyz ^💬 23:11, 29. rujna 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz Yes, I realized there is a page of 2nd division BiH, with the underpages of Federacija and RS. I can't create the Croatian-Serbian interlanguage connection of Druga liga Republike Srpske u nogometu 1995./96., how can I do? Ame71 (razgovor). 00:40, 30. rujna 2025. (CEST)

Serbian leagues in the 80s

I've reviewed the Serbian tables from the 80s you linked in Nogometno prvenstvo Jugoslavije – 3. ligaški rang 1985./86. I'm kind of in a hurry so I can't check the inconsistencies in Nogometno_prvenstvo_Jugoslavije_–_3._ligaški_rang_1987./88.#Srbija at the moment, so I'll check them later. I'll also need to add links to FK Mladost Lučani. – Croxyz ^💬 13:23, 4. listopada 2025. (CEST)

Also, I previously haven't thought of checking Glas Srpske for any missing tables for Republika Srpska seasons. If you're ever missing a table, you might find it there. From Omarska's website you can deduce the approximate date of the last matches/final tables. – Croxyz ^💬 13:27, 4. listopada 2025. (CEST)

E.g. for 1985 I'll have to check the accuracy of these tables later. In this issue for example there is Grupna nogometna liga Sana 1984./95. and the 25th leg of Grupna nogometna liga Lijevče 1984./95. (tiers below Međuopćinska nogometna liga Banja Luka 1984./85.) – Croxyz ^💬 13:39, 4. listopada 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz I can't open arhiva.glassrpske, it says "You don't have permission to access this resource". Ame71 (razgovor). 11:46, 5. listopada 2025. (CEST)

Ah, my bad. You'll have to go through here. Select the year (in this case 1985) and month (in this case Јун, which is June in Serbian). A new window will then be opened. Click on the Преузми link below the 24th and 25th of June (Глас, 24.06.1985., Глас, 25.06.1985.). From where did you get the Druga liga Republike Srpske u nogometu 2001./02. table? – Croxyz ^💬 13:40, 5. listopada 2025. (CEST)

I can't find it here – Croxyz ^💬 13:43, 5. listopada 2025. (CEST)

This might come in handy one day – Croxyz ^💬 13:56, 5. listopada 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz I copied the table from Serbian wiki, I thought that was the source when the website was still active. About "Glas Srpske" I can't open the pdf pages. Ame71 (razgovor). 18:24, 5. listopada 2025. (CEST)

Did you try going through here? Earlier today I tried to find a source for the Druga liga Republike Srpske u nogometu 2001./02. table. Sadly, I couldn't find anything. – Croxyz ^💬 00:28, 6. listopada 2025. (CEST)

Actually, we have a source. I'll add it right now. I just hope I won't forget to check the tables I promised earlier. – Croxyz ^💬 00:29, 6. listopada 2025. (CEST)

I'll check those tables later. Please, don't trust sr.wiki (Serbian Wikipedia) blindly. The creator of these lower tier Republika Srpska seasons often cites sources that do not cover the season which is the topic of the article. In case you run into fictitious sources on sr.wiki, please notify me and I'll try to find a source and compare it to sr.wiki. Here's a list of Sloga Doboj seasons from the 1990s onwards (the book covers all seasons from the club's beginning):

• Prva liga Republike Srpske u nogometu 1995./96.
• Prva liga Republike Srpske u nogometu 1996./97.
• Prva liga Republike Srpske u nogometu 1997./98.
• Druga liga Republike Srpske u nogometu 1998./99.
• Prva liga Republike Srpske u nogometu 1999./2000.
• Druga liga Republike Srpske u nogometu 2000./01.
• Druga liga Republike Srpske u nogometu 2001./02.
• Nogometno prvenstvo Bosne i Hercegovine – 3. ligaški rang 2002./03. (not covered at the moment)
• Nogometno prvenstvo Bosne i Hercegovine – 2. ligaški rang 2003./04. (not covered at the moment)
• Nogometno prvenstvo Bosne i Hercegovine – 2. ligaški rang 2004./05. (not covered at the moment)
• Nogometno prvenstvo Bosne i Hercegovine – 2. ligaški rang 2005./06. (not covered at the moment)

– Croxyz ^💬 01:28, 6. listopada 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz I haven't got the permission to open the pdf files on here glassrpske, I can't read the papers (and I think they are in cyrillic...). The pages of Prva liga RS aren't a problem: there are more sources about them (already made on it.wiki). I keep going with Omarska seasons. Ame71 (razgovor). 09:12, 6. listopada 2025. (CEST)

You can't access this? – Croxyz ^💬 12:15, 6. listopada 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz I can access this, but not the links "Преузми". Ame71 (razgovor). 12:25, 6. listopada 2025. (CEST)

Interesting. Have you tried only once, or several times? I have no problem accessing the Преузми links, however I do encounter issues with simply changing the URL. – Croxyz ^💬 12:30, 6. listopada 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz I don't know because of this problem, I can easily open pdf files from other sites.Ame71 (razgovor). 12:34, 6. listopada 2025. (CEST)

I gave it some thought. Perhaps, it's somehow region restricted? I remember that one Slovenian club monograph which was hosted on a Slovenian site. Both you and I had the issue of accessing it while a Slovenian friend of mine had no issues. Maybe you should try it once you're in Croatia. There's always the option of trying later or trying on some other device, like a phone. – Croxyz ^💬 13:55, 6. listopada 2025. (CEST)

Nogometno_prvenstvo_Jugoslavije_–_3._ligaški_rang_1987./88. and do not match nor do they have the correct goal-difference. – Croxyz ^💬 00:47, 7. listopada 2025. (CEST)

Can you somehow read the table here? – Croxyz ^💬 00:57, 7. listopada 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz Yes, I can read it. At the moment I can't read GlasSrpske pdf, maybe because I'm in Italy.Ame71 (razgovor). 08:01, 7. listopada 2025. (CEST)

Borba ism't loading. I'll have to tr during the day. – Croxyz ^💬 01:02, 7. listopada 2025. (CEST)

Borba is the last option. – Croxyz ^💬 01:17, 7. listopada 2025. (CEST)

Borba doesn't report the table and the table from above is also incorrect. – Croxyz ^💬 10:25, 7. listopada 2025. (CEST)

You forgot to add the source for Nogometno_prvenstvo_Bosne_i_Hercegovine_–_3._ligaški_rang_2004./05.#Zapad_2. – Croxyz ^💬 22:20, 7. listopada 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz In Glas Srpske od 14. lipnja 2005. there are the tables of 29th and 23rd match-day of Druga liga RS Centar and Jug, but I can't find the last match-day in the following issues. Could you give a look, please? Ame71 (razgovor). 06:41, 8. listopada 2025. (CEST)

I'm confused. For 14. lipnja I have:

Zapad (page 36) which doesn't match your table (e.g. Krila Krajine didn't play 30 matches):

1. Sloga (T) 30 21 7 2 62:19 70

2. Omladinac M. 30 20 6 4 85:25 66

3. Župa 30 19 3 8 67:33 60

4. Sloga (S) 30 14 10 6 47:41 52

5. Jedinstvo 30 14 4 12 46:41 46

6. Ravan 30 13 7 10 56:52 46

7. Naprijed 30 12 7 11 53:41 43

8. Teslić 30 13 3 14 56:52 42

9. Borac 30 13 3 14 42:47 42

10. Mladost 30 13 1 16 61:58 40

11. Sloboda 30 11 6 13 36:53 39

12. Sloga DIPO 29 10 6 13 42:48 36

13. Vrbas 30 8 9 13 51:60 33

14. Lauš 29 9 5 15 31:49 32

15. K. Krajine 28 3 5 20 24:60 14

16. Slaven 30 3 2 25 22:102 11

On the top right corner: BANJA LUKA - Susret posljednjeg kola Druge lige Republike Srpske u grupi zapad između Lauša i Krila Krajine nije odigran. Pošo gosti nisu imali potvrdu da su uplatili ratu kotizacije, delegat susreta nije dozvolio da se meč održi. Tako klub iz Borika" na svom kontu ima već dva neodigrana susreta iz pomenutog razloga, jer ni u prošlom kolu nisu igrali utakmicu protiv Sloge DIPO. Posljednju riječ o ovim mečevima daje Takmičarska komisija na drugoligaškom zapadu na sjednici koja će se održati u srijedu, 15. juna.

Centar (page 37), 30th leg:

1. "Nikos Kanbera" 30 18 4 8 64:28 58 (looks like it's a team from Rudanka, I haven't checked if it's a sponsor name)

2. Mladost (L) 30 17 4 9 57:34 55

3. Jedinstvo 30 16 5 9 51:32 53

4. Ledinci 30 14 6 10 50:32 48

5. Mladost (S) 30 13 7 10 51:39 46

6. Ozren 30 14 3 13 55:42 45

7. Proleter 30 13 6 11 46:45 45

8. Borac 30 12 4 14 46:41 40

9. Pelagićevo 30 12 4 14 49:64 40

10. Sloga (-1) 30 12 3 15 52:55 38

11. Vučijak 30 11 5 14 39:45 38

12. Željezničar 30 11 4 15 53:62 37

13. Trebava 30 12 1 17 38:74 37

14. Polet 30 11 3 15 43:48 36

15. Mladost (BS) 30 10 5 15 46:59 35

16. Tekstilac (-1) 30 10 4 16 38:78 33

Jug (page 38), 26th leg (2 clubs probably withdrew?)

1. Famos 24 18 4 2 43:10 58

2. Jardan 24 15 4 5 46:20 48

3. Velež 24 14 2 8 46:17 44

4. Vlasenica 24 13 5 6 47:23 44

5. Sutjeska 24 13 3 8 46:31 42

6. Mladost 24 12 4 8 39:19 40

7. Stakorina 24 10 3 11 29:40 33

8. Milići 24 8 5 11 38:44 29

9. Rudo 24 8 3 13 32:27 27

10. Romanija 24 6 4 14 20:39 22

Please check if the numbers match. I only fixed the club names. Do you want me to gather the places from which these clubs come? – Croxyz ^💬 12:04, 8. listopada 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz it's better if you find the places the clubs are from. In the Jug group - with 2 or 1 withdraws - there would be 12 or 13 clubs in the table, not 10. Ame71 (razgovor). 19:11, 8. listopada 2025. (CEST)

Later I'll try and find any info on the 2 Krila Krajine matches and whatever is going on with the Jug table.

From the June 14th edition:

Zapad

Sloga Trn ✅

Krila Krajine Banja Luka ✅

Vrbas Banja Luka ✅

Slaven Dobrljin ✅

Jedinstvo Žeravica ✅

Mladost Kotor Varoš ✅

Sloga G. Podgraci ❌ It should be: Sloga DIPO G. Podgraci

Omladinac Banja Luka ❌ Omladinac Mobi'S Banja Luka (what a bizarre name)

Naprijed Banja Luka ✅

Centar

Proleter Dvorovi ✅

Ozren Petrovo ✅

Tekstilac Derventa ✅

"Nikos Kanbera" Rudanka ✅ No idea why quotation marks are used. There's an aluminum company called Nikos Kanbera

Vučijak Majevac ✅

Željezničar Doboj ✅

Mladost Sandići ✅

Jedinstvo Crkvina ✅

Mladost Bogutovo Selo ✅

Ledinci Bijeljina ✅

Polet B. Brod ✅

Jug

Only 4 matches were played in the 26th leg, it looks like the league might've been split into two parts, e.g. promotion and relegation in some leagues. Jardan for some reason has 48 points, even though it has 15 wins and 4 draws. 15 * 3 + 4 = 49, not 48.

FAMOS Vojkovići is written as Famos Vojkovići in Glas Srpske

Mladost Rogatica ✅

Sutjeska Foča ✅

Milići ✅

Velež Nevesinje ✅ – Croxyz ^💬 23:58, 8. listopada 2025. (CEST)

June 15th edition:

Nogometno prvenstvo Bosne i Hercegovine – 4. ligaški rang 2004./05.

I don't know what is the first group, however it doesn't seem to have finished yet

Jedinstvo 71 boda, BSK 62, Podrinje 48, Zadrugar 47, Drina 46, Sloga 40, Majevica 39, Sloboda 37, Piperci 35, Kolektiv 35, Mladost 34, Crvena zvezda AP 34, Grčica 26, Partizan 25, Priboj 11.

Places (cities/villages, not league positions) I can conclude from the results of the last leg (pls check if these clubs actually exist as some might be playing in other places, e.g. Šahtar/Shakhtar hasn't played in Donetsk for years, similar cases may exist in villages that don't have stadiums): Podrinje Janja, Partizan Trnova, Crvena zvezda AP Žabari, Mladost Velika Obarska, Kolektiv Međaši, Sloga Bijeljina, Jedinstvo Brodac.

Prijedor

This one's already covered in our article

Istočno Sarajevo – Hercegovina

Han Pijesak became champion after defeating Željeznica Trnovo. Rudar Miljevina is mentioned.

June 15th and 16th editions doo not report what happened to the Krila Krajina matches. The June 17th edition is missing. You'll need to add that we don't have the complete table (see paragraph below table) . – Croxyz ^💬 00:23, 9. listopada 2025. (CEST)

June 22nd edition

Bijeljina (the "I don't know what is the first group, however it doesn't seem to have finished yet" group)

29th out of 30 legs.

No 30th leg sadly.

Jedinstvo 71 bodova, BSK 65, Podrinje 51, Zadrugar 50, Drina 49, Sloga 43, Sloboda 40, Majevica 39, Kolektiv 35, Piperci 35, Mladost 34, Crvena zvezda AP 34, Grčica 29, Partizan 25, Priboj 11

Zadrugar Donje Crnjelovo, Grčica Brčko, BSK Batković, Drina Amajlije, Piperci (from Piperci), Sloboda Donji Zagoni – Croxyz ^💬 00:40, 9. listopada 2025. (CEST)

June 11/12

Nogometno_prvenstvo_Bosne_i_Hercegovine_–_3._ligaški_rang_2004./05.#Druga_liga_Republike_Srpske

Zapad

Župa Milosavci ✅

Teslić ✅

Borac B. Dubica ✅

June 8

Nogometno_prvenstvo_Bosne_i_Hercegovine_–_4._ligaški_rang_2004./05.#Druga_liga_Republike_Srpske

Bosanska Gradiška (final table, 22 legs)

Borac Maglajani 49 bodova, Lijevče 47, Kalemi 43, Bratstvo 39, Kozara 34, Laminci 32, Crvena zemlja 31, Omladinac 29, Borac Mašići 23, Mladost 23, Polet 12. Donji Karajzovci odustala sredinom proljetnog dijela natjecanja.

Places: Lijevče Nova Topola, Polet Elezagići, Bratstvo Kozinci

Doboj

Final table (18 legs, both groups). Played in two groups

Istok: Mladost (D) 36 bodova, Hajduk 33, Skugrić 32, Zvijezda 30, Mladost (T) 27, Polet 27, Posavina 27, Crvena zvijezda 20, Budućnost 15, Sutjeska 8 bodova.

Places: Mladost Dobrinja, Crvena zvijezda Obudovac, Posavina Miloševac, Skugrić (from Skugrić), Sutjeska Brvnik

Zapad: Sloboda (V) 35 bodova, Vranjak 34, Trebavac 33, Sloga 30, Polet 26, Sloboda (VS) 26, Rudar 22, Naša krila 20, Ozren 19, Partizan 10 bodova.

Places: Sloboda Vinska, Trebavac Vranjak, Rudar Stanari, Polet Podnovlje, Ozren Paklenica, Naša krila B. Kostajnica

Zvornik

Final table (18 legs)

Podrinje 44, Trnovica 31, Budućnost 30, Birač 29, Srpski soko 27, Radnički 25, Tabanci 21, Polet 19, Lokanj 17, Pecka 7.

Places: Polet Bratunac, Budućnost Pilica, Trnovica (from Trnovica), Birač Derventa, Pecka Ročević,

Bijeljina (listed above already)

Places: Majevica Lopare, Sloboda Zagoni

Prijedor (skipped of course)

Banja Luka

18th leg, 9 teams.

Krajina 37 bodova, Čelinac 32, Mrkonjić 23, Željezničar 22, IC Ramići 19, Gorica 16, Progres 12, Mineral 12, Džaja bez bodova.

Places: Progres Kneževo, Želj. Banja Luka, Džaja Banja Luka, Ćelinac (from Čelinac) – Croxyz ^💬 01:12, 9. listopada 2025. (CEST)

June 7 Nogometno_prvenstvo_Bosne_i_Hercegovine_–_3._ligaški_rang_2004./05.#Druga_liga_Republike_Srpske

Zapad

Sloboda Mrkonjić Grad ✅

Sloga Srbac ✅

Ravan Međeđa ✅

Centar

Borac B. Šamac ✅

Trebava Osječani ✅

Pelagićevo from Pelagićevo ✅

Mladost Lončari ✅

Mladost S. playing in Brčko this is why you should check every club

Jug

Again, I think this league is split into a promotion and relegation part. I'm making this assumption based on the league position of each club and their opponent

Vlasenica from Vlasenica ✅

Rudo from Rude ✅

Romanija Pale ✅ – Croxyz ^💬 01:22, 9. listopada 2025. (CEST)

June 1

4th tier

Zvornik

Podrinje Tršić, Radnički Karakaj, Srpski soko Čelopek, Lokanj from Lokanj, Tabanci from Tabanci

Prijedor skipped

Banja Luka

Mrkonjić from Mrkonjić Grad (similiar to HNK Gorica Velika Gorica), Mineral Banja Vrućica, IC Ramići from Ramići, Krajina Banja Luka

Istočno Sarajevo – Hercegovina

10th leg mentioned (I don't know how many there are). Radnički Goražde withdrew from the completion this leg. The other 3 previously clubs are the only remaining clubs in the league (so this league must have had only 4 teams).

That is it for June. I haven't checked the January and February editions. – Croxyz ^💬 01:35, 9. listopada 2025. (CEST)

June 1 (continuation)

Bijeljina

No new places.

Bosanska Gradiška

Mladost Bajinci, Crvena zemlja Nova Ves (literally called Red dirt new village), Omladinac Brestovčina, Laminci from Laminci, Kozara Turjak

Doboj

Istok: Polet Čović Polje, Mladost Tišina (another brilliant name, Youth [please, be] quiet, as if a teacher was saying it in a classroom), Budućnost Gornja Slatina, Zvijezda Gajevi

Zapad: Sloboda Velika Sočanica, Partizan Koprivna, Sloga Dugopolje, Vranjak from Vranjak – Croxyz ^💬 01:44, 9. listopada 2025. (CEST)

Are you planning to add these tables? – Croxyz ^💬 23:23, 9. listopada 2025. (CEST)

At the moment I'm working on FK Sloga Doboj's article. I found this quote about the 1948./49. season which sums up the situation in Bosnia and Herzegovina when it comes to recording and maintaining any sort of information (books, newspapers etc.): O problemima javljanja rezultata sa utakmica grupnih liga ukazivao je i FS Bosne i Hercegovine o čemu je "Fiskultura i sport" pisala: lako prema pravilima FS BiH, fudbalska društva depešom moraju odmah izvjestiti Savez o postignutim rezultatima, neki klubovi to ne čine, a neki neredovno šalju rezultate. Zbog toga FS nema uvijek i na vrijeme stanje poslije odigranog kola. – Croxyz ^💬 22:01, 10. listopada 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz I don't feel like creating the fourth-tier seasons as well; it's too much work. I'd rather limit myself to FK Omarska's appearances in that tier. Ame71 (razgovor). 08:57, 11. listopada 2025. (CEST)

I created every table besides Zvornik and Doboj (2 groups). This website might come in handy. Can you find any info on FK Mrkonjić Mrkonjić Grad? I found that it was founded in 2003 . – Croxyz ^💬 15:17, 11. listopada 2025. (CEST)

What I'm wondering is if you can find the year the club stopped existing. This way we can create a short article. – Croxyz ^💬 15:21, 11. listopada 2025. (CEST)

I'm finally done with Nogometno prvenstvo Bosne i Hercegovine – 4. ligaški rang 2004./05.. I figured all of the clubs besides Hajduk from Nogometno_prvenstvo_Bosne_i_Hercegovine_–_4._ligaški_rang_2004./05.#Istok. – Croxyz ^💬 22:51, 11. listopada 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz I copied the table of Zapad group in Nogometno prvenstvo Bosne i Hercegovine – 3. ligaški rang 2006./07. from Serbian wiki. I find nothing about FK Mrkonjić... Ame71 (razgovor). 21:37, 12. listopada 2025. (CEST)

@Ame71, I managed to recover the following: Zapad after the 26th leg, Centar after the 26th leg, incomplete Istok table after the 21st leg. I'll continue my search. – Croxyz ^💬 23:43, 12. listopada 2025. (CEST)

From 2007 onwards you have this – Croxyz ^💬 23:44, 12. listopada 2025. (CEST)

I can't find it. Honestly I think it's better if we have the table after the 26th leg since sr.wiki doesn't have a source. – Croxyz ^💬 00:05, 13. listopada 2025. (CEST)

@Ame71, I think Serbian wiki used fsrs.org as source, before it went archieved. Ame71 (razgovor). 05:38, 13. listopada 2025. (CEST)

I thought the same. However you can't find it anywhere with the Wayback Machine. It probably derives from some now non-existing site or book (remember those FK Sloga Doboj seasons?). Yesterday, on FSRS's website via the Wayback Machine I discovered a list of links to other Republika Srpska club websites. Only 2 clubs had websites back then (If I recall correctly those are Proleter Teslić and Mladost Kotor Varoš), however none had a (complete) table, so I can conclude that it likely wasn't an archived version of some club website. – Croxyz ^💬 11:21, 13. listopada 2025. (CEST)

Also, on FSRS’s website they never posted the final table back in 2007. I remember finding outdated tables after the season ended. – Croxyz ^💬 11:32, 13. listopada 2025. (CEST)

Nogometno prvenstvo Jugoslavije – 3. ligaški rang 1985./86.

At the moment I'm fixing FK Sloga Doboj's tables. The last table I fixed is the one in the Nogometno prvenstvo Jugoslavije – 3. ligaški rang 1985./86. article. For this season we have a digitised source which was previously used for the creation of several tables for that season: Slaven Zambata i dr: Nogomet 86, Zagreb, 1986., UDK: 796.332.093(497.1+100)"1985/1986", str. 74-75. Do you want to check the goal differences of the existing tables and correct them in case that source provides a table with correct goal difference? Also on the previous page we have Druga savezna liga top scorers for each season. – Croxyz ^💬 11:51, 20. listopada 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz Ok, I'll do that. Ame71 (razgovor). 17:09, 20. listopada 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz There's something wrong in Vojvodina table, overall in FK Srem score. Ame71 (razgovor). 08:16, 21. listopada 2025. (CEST)

I'll review all of the tables first. The Slovenian table is wrong, both on hr. and en.wiki (which cites a table from the newspaper Delo). I couldn't find anything in Suradnik:Croxyz/Izvori, so I'll might have to search in Sllovenian digitised libraries. Nogometno_prvenstvo_Jugoslavije_–_3._ligaški_rang_1985./86.#Zapad is also wrong. It has 446:426, while the alternate Sportnet table has 449:436. Sadly, we don't have sources for this part of Croatia. – Croxyz ^💬 11:13, 21. listopada 2025. (CEST)

[Hrvatska nogometna liga – Sjever 1985./86.]] has teh same issue. The current table, Zambata's table (didn't calculate the goal-difference) and Sportnet table (463:473) are wrong. Oddly enough Varaždinske vijesti did not report the table, but Bjelovarski list page 15 did. Its table is correct (473:473). – Croxyz ^💬 11:31, 21. listopada 2025. (CEST)

Pls add Bjelovarski list's table. Istok is correct, while Jug isn't (475:472). Zambata's very close (465:466). has the same table as hr.wiki. At the moment I can't access (page 17 should contain the table). has some other table (a mistake). We might be out of luck for Jug. – Croxyz ^💬 11:44, 21. listopada 2025. (CEST)

Bosnia is correct (I recently did it). Somborske novosti has 817:812 for the Vojvodina table. We don't have any other sources for Vojvodina sadly. Both Serbian tables are incorrect. Montenegro is wrong, as is Macedonia. No newspaper reports the Montenegrin table. I haven't check the Serbian newspapers but I assume there's none. It looks like you'll have to add that the tables have errors. – Croxyz ^💬 13:16, 21. listopada 2025. (CEST)

From where did you get the name "Regionalliga" in Nogometno prvenstvo Bosne i Hercegovine – 4. ligaški rang 2011./12. and Nogometno prvenstvo Bosne i Hercegovine – 4. ligaški rang 2012./13.? – Croxyz ^💬 13:21, 21. listopada 2025. (CEST)

@Croxyz I wrong from German language (I like to speak German with my Austrian collegues). Slavian version is Regionalna liga... Ame71 (razgovor). 13:31, 21. listopada 2025. (CEST)

Ok. We'll also need to find the correct Druga_savezna_liga_Jugoslavije_u_nogometu_1986./87.#Zapad table. In Sloga Doboj's book I found the wrong table, as well in Borba (29 June has 723:733). Can you try and retrieve the sportsport, sportnet tables so I can check them later, as I need to go now? – Croxyz ^💬 13:58, 21. listopada 2025. (CEST)

Vrbas' book also reports an incorrect table. – Croxyz ^💬 13:59, 21. listopada 2025. (CEST)

734:744 – Croxyz ^💬 14:05, 21. listopada 2025. (CEST)

Šibenski list 742:738. That's it for now. Still no table. – Croxyz ^💬 14:13, 21. listopada 2025. (CEST)

Delo p. 11. has 739:740. This is getting really weird. How on Earth does nobody have the correct table? – Croxyz ^💬 00:21, 22. listopada 2025. (CEST)

Do you want to add that Bjelovarski list table and add warnings that the tables are inaccurate? Also, I believe that the Jug group of Regionalne nogometne lige Republike Srpske doesn't exist anymore. In the 2021./22. season there were only two clubs. One was promoted and the other one seems to have transitioned into a futsal club (judging by their Facebbok profile). – Croxyz ^💬 13:33, 24. listopada 2025. (CEST)

Prvenstvo Sarajevskog nogometnog podsaveza 1925./26.

I'm very tired. 1. razred Prvenstvo Sarajevskog nogometnog podsaveza 1925./26. has some sort of inconsistency. Exyufudbal has 2 different versions for results/tables. Can you please correct the wrong one. – Croxyz ^💬 22:06, 6. studenoga 2025. (CET)

Basically there are 2 different versions with different results, hence the different tables. However, Hajduk doesn't have

6 1 1 4 13 18 0,722 3

in any of those links. – Croxyz ^💬 22:23, 6. studenoga 2025. (CET)

The table originates from one link and the results from the other link. Previously, I never checked this kind of stuff. The only reason I checked was to see if (prekid u 77. minuti, nastavak se igra 24. listopada) was a correct translation. Anyways, I'll go to bed now. – Croxyz ^💬 22:26, 6. studenoga 2025. (CET)

I’m currently on my phone. I find it odd that AC Troja is present in Prvenstvo Sarajevskog nogometnog podsaveza 1926./27., considering that it was banned in 1925. – Croxyz ^💬 10:21, 7. studenoga 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz I thought AC Troja was banned in 1925 and recreated in 1927. Ame71 (razgovor). 10:25, 7. studenoga 2025. (CET)

Do you have a source for that or are you just guessing? It could be entirely possible that there were 2 clubs called Troja, just like there were 2 Sarajevo clubs called Građanski. – Croxyz ^💬 11:36, 7. studenoga 2025. (CET)

Just a reminder the 1925./26. issue needs to be fixed. I'll likely forget about it later. – Croxyz ^💬 12:26, 7. studenoga 2025. (CET)

For 1926./27. I added a disclaimer that we aren't sure if this Troja club is the same one as AC Troja. Also, the RSSSF/Sportsport forum source is sketchy in my opinion, as it doesn't really have much information. It also claimed that Troja partook in 1. razred 1925./26. (by the way, I didn't fix this article as I need to go now, so it's probably up to you to fix it) which is incorrect. Not gonna lie, the entire 2. razred "table" for 1926./27. might be fabricated. I tried looking for digitalised Sarajevo papers from that period, but sadly nothing has been digitalised for 1926 nor 1927. As a final note, Album nogometnih klubova Jugoslavije from 1925 (or more precisely, some time before or at the very start of the 1925./26.) doesn't mention Troja at all when listing the Sarajevski podsavez clubs. – Croxyz ^💬 22:50, 7. studenoga 2025. (CET)

Can you find a confirmation that Borac Sarajevo was called "ŠK Borac"? If so, I have enough information for an article. I have a source for the foundation year, club background and name change. – Croxyz ^💬 16:56, 8. studenoga 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz I found the name of Borac Sarajevo in this photo. Ame71 (razgovor). 17:03, 8. studenoga 2025. (CET)

Yeah, I saw that as well. I just need extra confirmation. – Croxyz ^💬 17:06, 8. studenoga 2025. (CET)

or you can find Građanski's full name (Borac -> Građanski, 1932) – Croxyz ^💬 17:23, 8. studenoga 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz "SK Virtus Sjetlina" from KNJIGA PREZENTACIONA KOPIJA, page 132. Ame71 (razgovor). 19:56, 8. studenoga 2025. (CET)

I noticed some errors regarding the provincial championship format. You might've realised that sometimes there is only 1 semifinal match with 1 team automatically getting a place in the final. For me it was also strange, but I noticed a pattern. All clubs that skipped the semifinal were Herzegovinian clubs. Obviously, I don't expect you nor Nicoletti to notice this. The provincial championship was split into two different championships: a Bosnian one and a Herzegovinian one, with the champions of both championships playing a provincial final. The winner of this provincial final would go on and play against the winner of Sarajevo's 1. razred. These two finals (Bosnian, Herzegovinian) are confirmed by Milorad Sijić, Fudbal u Kraljevini Jugoslavije (drugo dopunjeno izdanje), Zavičajni muzej župe Aleksandrovac, Aleksandrovac 2014., str. 271–277.

Fun fact: I never heard of Sjetlina. Apparently, it's a small village. According to this article mostly Italians played for Virtus Sjetlina. It's kind of bizarre to think that a small village club was the champion of the Bosnian province several times.

Here's my commentary for the following provincial championships (sadly, I think it'll take a lot of time for you to fix it)

• 1921./22.: the data is scarce. Zrinjski Tuzla won some kind of minileague before competing in the Bosnian provincial championship. 1. kolo of Provincijsko finale actually represents the finals of the Bosnian, Herz. final. Finale is the provincial final.
• 1922./23.: 1. kolo shows the Herz. final and 1 of the 2 Bosnian semifinal matches. Krivaja vs TOŠK is the final match. Whatever the source, it's probably linked to NK Krivaja.
• 1923./24.: Herzegovina could mostly be complete. Uskok could've played against some non-Mostar club(s), if they existed. Same goes for Solvay Lukavac (not Solvaj, I know it's wrong because the club seal contains Solvay) and Krivaja. I believe that 4. grupa is complete because I know that Troglav Livno was geographically pretty isolated, oftentimes competing in the Split championship with only 1 team in its group. It's kinda strange to see Livno in the Bosnian championship, considering that it's a Herzegovinian club. However, it seems that Livno was a part of Travnička oblast (source) meaning that it kinda makes sense that they competed together. Žepče and Zavidovići are also a part of Travnička oblast. Finale provincije contains the Bosnian semifinal and final, and the provinical final.
• 1924./25. is where it gets interesting. 2. kolo has Zrinjski Mostar. This is wrong. Travnik is in Bosnia. It should be Zrinjski Tuzla. That's the Tuzla final. Krivaja, Orlovik, Bojna and Borac seem to form a group (Travnička oblast group?). Lukavac is near Tuzla, so the winner of Tuzla played against Solvay Lukavac. Zrinjski and Krivaja in Bosnian final. Vardar, champion of Mostar plays in the Herz. final against Uskok.
• 1925./26.: Tuzla group final is shown in 4. kolo. Krivaja, Orlovik, Bojna and Borac are again in the same group with the final being shown in 4. kolo. Tuzla group winner play against Solvay, again. We also see Mostar champion vs Uskok again. For some reason Herzegovinian champion played against Bojna Travnik.
• 1926./27.: Tuzla group now consists of only 2 clubs with the winner playing against Krivaja (Zavidovići are not in Travnička oblast meaning that there was no Travnička oblast league!). Uskok finally has non-Mostar competition (Album nogometnih klubova Jugoslavije from 1925 states that they are the only non-Mostar Herz. club). There's a Mostar group. Bojna, Orlovik, Borac and Troglav are in the same group. Sjetlina is a village located some 20 kilometers east of Sarajevo. It makes sense why they weren't placed in a group. They don't have any opposition as they are isolated. Tuzla, the closest city is 85 km away, to the north. Bojna Travnik and JŠK Mostar probably didn't play on purpose due to it being a village in the middle of nowhere in a time where cars were basically non-existant.
• 1927./28.: Virtus finally has a somewhat close competitor. Jadran from Visoko, 40 km to the west. We have the Tuzla final again, with Solvay playing against the winner. Bojna, Troglav and Borac form a group. You can make out the Herz. champ. with ease by now. I didn't go into further detail analyzing the Bosnian championship.
• 1928./29.: the Bosnian group needs to be split. Jadran and Virtus have their own geographically isolated group again. Turbe is a village near Travnik, so it makes sense why they play one another. Basically Bosnia is 3 minigroups, this one is easy to understand for you by now.
• 1929./30.: Mostar group in 1. and 2. kolo. Herz. final in 3. kolo. Tuzla group. Ugar Turbe and Plamen Travnik are listed twice in 1. kolo (error???). I didn't analyse the Bosnian championship in further detail.

– Croxyz ^💬 20:34, 8. studenoga 2025. (CET)

Also, you might want to add a map of Bosnia and Herzegovina under the provincial championship sections, similiar to Druga savezna liga Jugoslavije u nogometu 1970./71.. – Croxyz ^💬 20:59, 8. studenoga 2025. (CET)

You're right about SK Virtus.

Confirmations:

• club seal
• Mina Kuković, Popis bioskopa/kina na području Drinske banovine 1931. godine (Iz arhivske građe – prilog kulturnoj historiji), page 96 (Downloaded via the Wikipedia Library)

Naziv bioskopa: Viruts kino

Ime vlasnika: SK "Virtus"

Forma poduzeća: Zabavno kino sportskog kluba

(cinema owned by SK Virtus sports club)

• Virtus isn't mentioned in Album nogometnih klubova Jugoslavije (1925) nor in the 1932 and 1937 JNS reports. Must have existed between 1925 and 1932.

– Croxyz ^💬 21:22, 8. studenoga 2025. (CET)

During the next 3 days I'll likely be less active meaning that I possibly can't help with further provincial championships during those few days. As mentioned previously, Milorad Sijić, Fudbal u Kraljevini Jugoslavije (drugo dopunjeno izdanje), Zavičajni muzej župe Aleksandrovac, Aleksandrovac 2014., str. 271–277. has some data on provincial championships that are not covered by Nicoletti. – Croxyz ^💬 13:18, 9. studenoga 2025. (CET)

Also in the near future, I might go through every picture on Fudbal u Bosni i Hercegovini 1908-1941, and make a list of every clubs name, so that we don't have this naming issue in the future. JSK Makabi Sarajevo might get an article. Please, in the meantime try and fix the earlier provincial championships. – Croxyz ^💬 13:44, 9. studenoga 2025. (CET)

@Croxyz I think it's ŠK Hrasničar like this image. Ame71 (razgovor). 13:57, 9. studenoga 2025. (CET)

Yeah I saw it as well, but it's weird to see Sarajevo being written in Cyrillic, while the rest is written in the Latin script. – Croxyz ^💬 15:35, 9. studenoga 2025. (CET)